33 thoughts on “And there goes that argument”

  1. In fairness, “mamabear” ought to have said “female” and “male”, not “woman” and “man” which are Identities, not innate biology.

    Yet, Kataclastic doesn’t mention any sexes other than “male” and “female”. Even the chimeras and “mixed traits” are male+female. No “third” or “fourth” sexes like, say, “plumbus” or “skeezix”. Anyway, sex and gender ARE synonyms; they mean the same thing. Kataclastic is misleadingly referring to “gender identities” as just “gender” for short. So, word games.

    • Animals has sex and are one sex or the other. Gender properly refers to language not people. Some languages have words that are male or female. That is Gender. English is pretty much gender neutral. Spanish for example has many words the are gender male of gender female.

  2. What this demonstrates is that the Y chromosome defines a male.
    In the end, the only tangible thing is sex, since gender is a social construct.

  3. How many people are not either XX or XY? Probably about .01% of the population or less.

    The kid in “Kindergarten Cop” got it right.

    • Why do certain people worry so much about another’s gender? Since there are so few that don’t fit their norm.
      Besides it keeps certain people’s attention seething in their state of perpetual faux outrage. While the pushers of this outrage are screwing them over while hiding behind the distraction.

        • The Epstein files have been hidden for what, a decade or so now? So it will be interesting if they are ever released or if they will be damning for anyone.

          I would like to see the flight logs and passenger manifests to Epstein’s pedo island.

          • There are some who lost interest because their dear leader has said to do as much. The one issue of interest is once one particular name becomes excessive on the list, will the cult be aghast or will they excuse it, perhaps as a plot? I have a personal belief that what’s in the files aligns with what Putin has on him, which is why he’s so subservient around him.

            • I presume you are talking about Trump but afraid to say his name.

              If Trump is in the Epstein files, why didn’t Biden’s administration release the files?

              • I explained this before, but I’ll type this slower in hopes of you better understanding. Biden accepted the fact that the DOJ works independently of the White House and may not have known what names or info are in the files. You’re in that crowd that suggested Biden wasn’t “all there”, so I’m not sure why one needs to use that question as an excuse to defend their favorite pedophile.

                Or he may have known and withheld it for any number of reasons, one of which was Ghislaine Maxwell was at trial and then had appeals after her conviction. Releasing them may have hurt the prosecution’s need to uphold the verdict.

                There could be information in there about the Miss Teenage pageants he owned and how he used them to help traffic all those young girls to Epstein which may include some names that they didn’t want released for future cases. Any of which are not relevant, since he promised to release them… oh wait, he hedged on that when the question was asked.

                All I can say, is the circus peanut doesn’t give a rat’s ass for anybody other than himself, so his name must be slathered all over the files. In what context we don’t know, but it’s a guarantee he’s protecting his name and brand.

      • Well, “people” care about it because there are OTHER “people” who are trying to say that there are umptillion genders, that there is no such thing as male or female, and that really, nobody but males who dress like gutter whores know what being a woman is really about. And this deserves resistance. Any questions?

      • I don’t–you do you.

        Just keep biological males in men’s bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports. Likewise, keep biological females in women’s bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports.

        • I don’t see the issue with bathrooms since the stall would be the common place either would use. So unless one parades naked in public restrooms or insists on open doors in stalls, there is no real issue.

          • So you would be okay with a female loved on in one stall and some guy standing in the stall next to them?

            The closest I would see are some bathrooms I have seen in NYC where the toilets were in tiny rooms with walls and door that was floor to ceiling and soundproof in a large area with shared sink spaces. Was odd but worked.

            • Yep. No problem, because it isn’t one. As I said, unless the offended have a habit of parading naked in bathrooms or insist on using stalls with doors open, then nobody is affected. Some just choose to live in fear for non-issues.

              The bigger issue is characters like Larry Craig using a men’s bathroom to solicit other males for sex. Which happens much more frequently that any trans soliciting another in a women’s bathroom.

  4. Sex refers to biological attributes, including chromosomes, hormones, reproductive organs, and external anatomy. While most people are born male (XY chromosomes) or female (XX chromosomes), these categories are not always clear-cut.

    Gender refers to a person’s internal sense of self as male, female, both, or neither, as well as the societal and cultural roles associated with sex. Gender is distinct from biological sex, though there are biological underpinnings to the development of gender identity.

    Biological sex is not determined by a single factor, but is influenced by multiple elements that can be at odds with each other. As understanding of genetics and biology has advanced, the boundaries between the sexes have become less rigid, with some individuals falling in a gray area.

    This scientific understanding has led many in the medical and scientific communities to agree that the concept of only two sexes is overly simplistic.

    There’s that word that some cannot accept because it interferes with their bigotry: Science.

    • No, “gender” and “sex” are synonyms. It is GENDER IDENTITY that refers to a person’s “internal sense of self”, and it exists in the context of Traditional Sex Roles, which are cultural stereotypes of the qualities of an ideal male and female. Gender identity is a construct.

      • There’s a difference with a distinction. Tossing in “identity” doesn’t sway the argument.

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender

        “Among those who study gender and sexuality, a clear delineation between sex and gender is typically prescribed, with sex as the preferred term for biological forms, and gender limited to its meanings involving behavioral, cultural, and psychological traits. In this dichotomy”

        The terms I refer to used in the scientific community have two meanings. Common language usage has put it in a similar category, but as I was referring to a non-partisan world of science, they have different meanings.

        • The wordplay
          Isn’t in me restoring the word “identity” to the phrase.
          Rather,
          it when people
          strategically leave it out.

          There are also those “in the scientific community”, who I don’t expect you would cherry-pick, who DO keep a strict distinction between sex/gender and gender_identity.

          • I’m not sure what you are saying. Broadly speaking, the scientific community has that distinction, which was my greater point. They don’t use sex and gender interchangeably.

            The argument you put forth earlier was saying that sex and gender are synonyms, which they are not. You seemingly put “gender identity” into another category, as if adding identity after gender gave it a different meaning. If this isn’t the case, then I find your statement confusing.

            • I’m a gonna let you go at this point, gender professor. You aren’t “explaining” anything to me or anyone else. You just have another opinion. A wrong one, as it happens. Your strategy is to “misunderstand” your opponent, to strawman and to try to re-write other people’s narratives so you can win arguments against yourself. It’s a tad tiring.

              • It’s an opinion based on science. As I said, science is an issue to the culties when it interferes with their bigotry.

                There is no strawman in my argument. A simple search engine will show you that science does indeed utilize gender apart from sex.

                The simplistic basic understanding you pose is outside of the science community and is simply a lay person’s wish to insist that limited thought is more correct than higher thinking.

    • Practically, they are clear cut. About 0.04% of people don’t fall into the XX/XY pattern and this has been constant for as long as it has been measured. The sudden up-tick in people claiming to be ‘trans’ is down to autogynephilia (a sexual fetish) in men and social contagion in pubescent girls. The latter is fading away already; we can only hope the former does.

  5. I have spent a long time trying to deconstruct this statement of yours: “There are also those “in the scientific community”, who I don’t expect you would cherry-pick, who DO keep a strict distinction between sex/gender and gender_identity.”

    The stuff between the commas is meaningless and say nothing, so I’m not sure why it’s there, the last part of the sentence seems to agree with what I said but somehow seems to disqualify itself with the use of quotes.

    The main point, is your blathering says nothing to contradict my point and yet seems malevolent towards science.

    If you have an issue with one not understanding you, try using grammatical structure that better explains your position, rather a word salad.

    • It means, you pretentious ninny, that there are several “members of the scientific community” who reliably say things which delight the transgender community, and you are doubtless relying on them, i.e., “cherry-picking” their involvement to vindicate your belief system. The bulk of “the scientific community” would, however contradict you or say various things you won’t find useful.

      I think most people reading this knows what I meant. And they have observed that you like to “pretend not to understand” and are blaming me for not making you understand something which you have a vested interest in not understanding.

      You’re clumsy and obvious. It’s so sad to watch you embarrass yourself. Critiquing my use of commas – sheesh. And starting a new comment to escape my “notify me” checkbox.

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