Press release from the Westboro Baptist Church. (Their website is godhatesfags.com)
I don’t know much about Lady Gaga, and what little impression I do have is that she’s a little strange in the way she dresses. OK, a lot strange. I really don’t know what her music sounds like (she is a singer, right?). But, she’s going to be in St. Louis in a week or so and I’d support her against this lunatic hate group any day. These hateful pieces of shit are protesting at three locations in St. Louis that day, A high school, a local city hall and this concert.
These are the same people who protest at the funerals of soldiers who have died in the Middle East. They claim it’s “gods” way of punishing the US for homosexuality. Is there a better example of why a church should not have tax exemptions?
those people are insane
If they just ignored her, she will consume her 15 minutes of fame and disappear into the ‘where are they now’ file. Instead by protesting her appearance she gains more noteriety and attention, something you would think these wackjobs wouldn’t want.
@junior, I don’t think these wackjobs care about Lady Gaga or her fans, they’re just self-righteous wackjob attention whores, eh.
There should be a de-motivational poster with these nit-wits pictured with the caption: “CHRISTIANITY – You’re doing it wrong”
The Westboro Baptist Church needs to change its name. With the word “Baptist” in their name, it implies that they are Christians.
They are not Christians–they are Anti-Christs. If you read John’s second letter (and 3 John as well), you will see that God is love–and anyone saying anything less is an Anti-Christ; John makes this painfully clear. With WBC’s comments about Lady Gaga (as well as what Paul in Boca said), they are showing that they are Anti-Christs.
And these Anti-Christs are negatively influencing Christians’ reputation.
I doubt that many of these lugnuts will be at the protest since most of them have to be back at the Sanitarium by five p.m.
Fred Phelps and his crazy followers do a disservice to Christians everywhere.
HBO did a documentary on him a few years ago and the man is insane. He turned his hate on 2 of his own kids when they dared disagree with him.
There is a special place in hell for the Fred Phelps of the world.
Unfortunately these people are from Kansas. Please don’t think these pieces of shit represent us or our values in any way, shape or form.
Yes, these ARE the same people who protest military funerals. Why they heven’t met the sharp end of a sniper’s bullet is beyond me.
Rest assured, there is a special place in Hell for people like this.
back in Nov I went to a protest to protest WBC. They were in town protesting the funerals of 4 high school cheerleaders killed in a car accident. Only 3 WBC members showed up and over 200 counter-protesters showed up. These people aren’t worth the air they breath. Here’s a link to my post with pictures. The picture I attached is the WBC members that showed up at the protest.
You know, it was kinda like old squares in the battle like you see in the calendar named “The Battle of Waterloo” and the idea was: Lady Gaga comes to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and screamin’ and sometimes Lady Gaga go away… but sometimes she wouldn’t go away. Sometimes that Lady Gaga she looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about Lady Gaga… she’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When she comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be living… until she bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all the poundin’ and the hollerin’, they all come in and they… rip you to pieces.
You need to treat these people as the comedians that they are , Click the link to see how this big tough Phelps loon turns to his wife when confronted by one of our Aussie Comedy shows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obri6-6w238
Right, mockery is about the only sensible approach to these idiots. Say what you want about Michael Moore, but he did the right thing to the Phelps cult: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_fAYl4Th4
Paul, if that’s not a non-sequitar, I don’t know what is. I can’t believe you are so jaded or ideologically challenged that you equate these loons with mainstream religion. Now, personally, I don’t care one way or the other about the tax exemption, but passing judgement on a vast majority based on the actions of a miniscule minority is beneath you. Or I thought it was anyway.
Wow, I can’t believe those words. I’ve never heard of this group but it reminds me of drinking the Kool-Aid (Jonestown). How awful.
I like a couple of Lady Gaga’s tunes. Madonna was suppose to be shocking, in her prime. Marilyn Manson is kind of a freakoid. Kiss, Twisted Sister, Alice Cooper, Ozzy…I don’t know why they are picking on her? I guess I will read the links that you have provided.
Milwaukee Mike, you’re awesome. I think that’s it completely.
Tim, I think you’ve got the point exactly as well. I just don’t see “God” in that “News Release” up there. It seems so hateful.
@revrick315, I seem to remember Pat Robertson and friend blaming 911 on the tolerance of homosexuality in the US. I also remember similar statements from other mainstream Christian leaders about why Katrina levelled New Orleans. Or am I wrong in considering Pat Robertson mainstream?
I disagree with what these people say, but I would fight for the death for their right to say it.
Can’t say I agree with Pat Robertson either, mu. As a matter of fact, I find many of the politicized and/or ‘paid’ preachers to be completely contrary to what I consider mainstream and what I believe. The mainstream I know sends folks to South America 3-4 times per year to build homes and hospitals. They send people to Africa to help teach folks how to care for themselves. They go immediately to a disaster area and try to help. They run soup kitchens and half-way houses.
Does that mean they aren’t trying to ‘convert’ people? No, I’m not going to say it’s completely altruistic. I’m know they are trying to convert people. But the folks I know don’t turn ANYONE away. And trying to equate the garbage above with mainstream is totally off-base. They were going to attend a funeral for an Iraq vet locally and spout their garbage and decided they didn’t want to face the wrath of the other vets around here.
And I certainly don’t believe that “The Lord God Almighty is going to smite the ‘sinners’ of the world.” I’d be long gone and probably at the front of the line if so.
And I have to say, just scrolling by this posting from this group makes me sick every time I see it.
Ummm…I mean the Westboro group makes me sick. Not the other posters here…I love ya’ll guys and gals….
If I’m not mistaken, I believe that the entire congregation of this “church” is made up of Phelpses. I don’t know how many throwbacks exist that carry the Phelps DNA, but any is too many.
I’m with Bill the Painter about the sniper’s bullet. I hope 300,000 gays show up at Fred’s funeral and make a ruckus.
One of his sons (http://www.natephelps.com/) has been waging a battle against him for years, and I applaud his efforts, though as long as Fred’s minions keep reproducing, it appears the hate will continue.
revrick315, the problem is that the Pat Robertsons (and Ted Haggards, Oral Roberts, Popes, …) wield the power, have the ears of presidents, and get the attention. That makes them mainstream to me. I’d like to call people like Jimmy Carter (Habitat for Humanity, peace making efforts, …) a mainstream Christian but the humanitarian Christians are rather marginalized and thus hardly mainstream. Maybe the silent majority of decent Christians should take their religion back and clean up all the grime, hate, abuse, and associated evil garbage that has stained their religion. Same goes for the Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and other religions.
Rev,
I find all religion to be chock full o nuts.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but three major religions are descended from Abraham: Christians, Jews, and Muslims. They all started with the same basic document, the Old Testament.
I challenge you to prove how, over the course of centuries and through countless languages, through -hundreds? -thousands? -tens of thousands? -millions? of interpreters anyone can believe anything that is in the today’s Bible, today’s Torah, today’s Koran (Kuran? K’uran? We can’t even spell the damn thing), any of that stuff is accurate.
If Jesus preached the meek shall inherit the earth, do unto others as you would have done unto you, a rich man will never enter heaven, help the poor and downtrodden, etc., etc., etc., why does the “Christian Right” vocalize the opposite?
You’re going to say it is “faith’, and I can’t argue with that. I guess I should start my own church, I’ll call it the “Flock of the B&P’ers, and set up a PayPal account so that all of our brethren can contribute to the cause, and I’ll set it up to be tax exempt. I’d be happy to appoint you to be the Chief Reverend, just let me know!
Do you think they’ll p-p-p-poke her face p-p-p-poke her face?
Paul in Boca – while you are right that the Jews and Christians share most of the Old Testament, I am not sure the Muslims do. Yes, Muslims can trace themselves to Abraham, but their religious texts came from Muhammad in the 500’s a.d.–and I do not think Muhammad used the Bible or the Torah as his basis for the Koran.
And you are also paraphrasing Jesus a bit too much: in the “meek shall inherit the earth,” the meek are those that are meek towards God, not to other humans; in “a rich man will never enter Heaven,” the actual quote is that it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of the needle than a rich man getting to Heaven–in other words, this dovetails with His statement that humans can only serve one master: God or money. This means that a rich person can get to Heaven as long as they believe in God and follow him. And you are right: humans are supposed to help other humans voluntarily.
I do not listen to any of the televangelists, and I will even research the Bible if my pastor says something that does not seem to jive with what I read in the Bible–and he invites us to do this.
And I believe in the Bible because for the most part, the translations of the Bible are translations from the original text by teams of people who can read ancient Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic and translate it into modern English. This means I am reading what the original writers and God want me to read. When you get to some translations, however, one needs to be careful as those translations are not from the original text–for example, the King James Version is translated from a translation (the Volgate, which is in Latin) so it has some errors in it. And having studied most of the books of the Bible so far, I see a very logical and loving God that is well worth following. And while I would like to see everyone follow the God that Christians know, I also know that they are the ones who have to decide to follow Him and I can not force them to.
Also keep in mind that some sects (whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) do not believe in their entire religious texts, so they dilute their religion by taking religious text out of context and making up things or making traditions as important (if not more important) than their religious texts.
the Koran is a book of lies and Mohammad was a sick sex pervert,I have never heard of a Christian putting a bomb belt on themselves
Paul, I think you’ve narrowed the scope too much. Humanity is chock full of nuts and zealots of any purpose or persuation are dangerous. Stating generalizations like the “Christian Right” vocalizes the opposite would be like me saying the liberal left is not inclusive because it is anti-religion. Remember, the minority doesn’t speak for the majority.
Mu, folks of various faiths do take back control every day every minute by walking the walk. But it’s like every other thing. It’s not newsworthy to see good work being done. Additionally, for every misconception that’s taken back, another is misused/misstated or abused.
And Paul, no thanks. I have enough trouble speaking for myself. And the last think I need (or the world needs for that matter) are a crowd of folks following me around everywhere I go saying “Can you heal me now?”
Tim,
So where are the original books of your Bible stored?
I’d like your thoughts on this: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/42, which deals with the “lost” books of the Bible. If, as stated in the article, (sorry about the long cut and paste) “Massimo Franceschini, an Italian convert to Mormonism, has suggested that the biblical text is more than sixty-five percent incomplete, due, in part, to the “lost books” cited within the Bible itself (Franceschini, 2002). If the Bible is, at most, thirty-five percent complete, then the Christian faith can be no more complete than that. Duane Christensen, in the October 1998 issue of Bible Review, listed twenty-three referenced books that have been lost in antiquity (14[5]:29), to which we can add seven additional works mentioned in the Bible. Such compositions as the Book of Jashar (Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18), the Acts of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29), and Paul’s previous Corinthian letter (see 1 Corinthians 5:9) are among the thirty cited works—twenty-eight from the Old Testament era, and two from the New Testament era—that are not included in the canon of Scripture, and that are missing from secular history. The contents of these books are known only by the fact that they are cited or quoted.”
This isn’t the right forum for this type of discussion, I’m sure a lot of the regulars in the `hood would agree, and I don’t think either of us will change the mind of the other. I’m good at saying “to each his own”, and I kind of like the tenets of the FSM: http://www.venganza.org/
Cheers to all!
Rev,
The beauty of “The Flock of B&P’ers” is that nothing changes with the exception of we solicit donations, file the appropriate paperwork, and split the proceeds 65/35 (because it’s my idea)!
Wait, Paul. Do I get to wear a Pope Hat? I mitre be interested. No problem on the split though. Within a few weeks I’d have you branded an apostate and then it would be allllllll mine.
Rev,
Wear whatever you want, there’s no rules (except one) in the Church of the Flock o BP’ERs (notice how quickly things like the name are evolving). That rule states that the Head of the CoFoBP shall never ever under any circumstances be overthrown, removed, or mocked. Such action will result in the immediate dismissal of that member of the flock who went astray.
Paul, We’ll let you be the head of the Florida Tribe of CoFoBP but Jonco will still be the Big Cheese in Charge…
Richard, even though we disagree on a lot of things,on this one I’m with you (ggrrrrrr…. 😉
Oh, and Paul, I think the originals are stored in Betamax. They are ancient you know.
ha ha, rev, got a chuckle out of me. Grrr, time to go play the slave to the almighty dollar
Oh hail Batman!
Paul in Boca – I scrolled through the first link you gave, and it is right–there are many books mentioned in the Bible that do not exist as far as we know. I find it interesting that that link only mentions one lost letter that Paul wrote to the Corinthians when there are actually two that are mentioned. On the other hand, there are several books that are written as if they belong in the Bible but are not; there are also references to many other things that Jesus did that the author says happened but did not write about. I, and most other Christians, rely on the committee that decided what were the Canonical books of the Bible (that is, what books should and should not be in the Bible)–this was done around 300 a.d. or so. As Christians, we believe the Bible is the divine word of God, so we believe this committee was led by God to put the correct books in the Bible.
As I mentioned, I have studied most of the books of the Bible so far, and I disagree with the quote you posted in that I think the Bible is complete enough to make Christianity as full as it needs to be. Granted, as Jonco pointed out a while ago, there are many things that are not in the Bible that we use everyday (like computers and web pages), but the Bible is more directing how one should live and what their faith should be as opposed to what tools one should use.
And I agree, we have “highjacked” this thread, but since no one as commented for a while, I thought I would throw this in.
I also agree to “each his own,” as Christianity is a voluntary religion–one can not be forced to believe.
Clarifying a point: Tim, It must have been someone else who “pointed out a while ago…”. I do my best to stay out of discussions I know little about.
Quite right, Troglodyke: “If I’m not mistaken, I believe that the entire congregation of this “church” is made up of Phelpses.” They’re also almost all lawyers, and basically just try to get people to infringe on their first amendment rights so they can sue the crap out of them.
“They’re also almost all lawyers, and basically just try to get people to infringe on their first amendment rights so they can sue the crap out of them.”
How the hell does someone earn a law degree and yet remain so ignorant and patently stupid? I just don’t get it. Getting a law degree requires critical thinking, right?
Or do their “degrees” come from some fake school Fred started?
As a Christian, it makes me sad when I hear about these kinds of extreme fundamentalist groups. They completely do not deserve to be called Christians at all – what they do and preach is against the central message of Christianity, which is about unconditional love.
I think this applies to all sorts of fundamentalist groups too. I know my Muslim friends are appalled and saddened that Muslim terrorists would act in the “name of God” – because it’s completely distorting what they really believe.
I just really hope that people would keep an open mind toward believers of any religion and not judge a whole (very diverse) group based on the actions of a few stupid people…
I would rather go to whatever hell Lady Gaga is going to then to spend one minute in Fred Phelps’s heaven!!!
To whomever posted this blog post
you really should listen to her music. She not only sings, but she writes her own stuff and designs some of the stuff she wears. and plays piano and she does not lip sinc she sings every show and every show seems to be different. She is really quite fun and entertaining. And right now, with how mundane and boring American Television is Lady Gaga is much needed relief from it.
Fred Phelps and suck my Twat!
Lady Gaga is awesome. I love her style; she is this generation’s avant garde artist; she is today’s David Bowie.