68 thoughts on “Non-Socialist Universal Health Plan”
They started it!!!!
Thanks so much Julie. I’m heading there now for #4 and I’ll be half way thru. I don’t recommend it to anyone but whatchagoingtodo? 🙂 The strength of my friends and family carry me through.
If it were only as simple as the (FUNNY) posted picture. If people took better care of themselves (and learned to laugh a bit while doing it), there would be less need for health insurance. On the other hand, you can’t spend what the US does per capita with such middling overall results and NOT try to fix it somehow. I’m too stupid to know what is the best path, but I do know a civilized society MUST balance personal responsibility with compassion.
Ray – I also agree that something needs to be done to make health insurance more affordable. Where we disagree is how that can be done. I am very cynical about politicians and seeing what has been happening in Washington (take your pick–the last few months or the last few decades) does not instill confidence in me (as I mentioned in my earlier comments). I am more for letting the free market concept make health insurance more affordable, and I think we should start there and go from there. Yes, we probably should still have the states keep an eye on health insurance providers to ensure they are keeping up with their end of the contract, but outside of that, what government oversight/management do we need, especially at the federal level? If I could get affordable private insurance, then I would not have to worry about what kind of job I have, the medical conditions I have, or the fact that my wife is looking at a short life since her mom and grandmother died of cancer (at ages 48 and 52, respectively).
Bella – I am sorry that I missed where you had cancer, and I do hope that the treatments you are going through eradicate the cancer and you remain cancer-free; and also that the side effects of the treatment do not bother you.
You’re not so stupid, Stupid.
Tim, if the free market was the answer, why haven’t they done anything yet? With healthcare costs escalating faster than most everything else in the economy, their answer is to cut loose some 650,000 policies simply to boost stock prices. That’s how it works– the free market caters to the stock holders, not to people who they should serve. It’s simply profit over life. There are many other factors that keep costs high, but when the government mandates certain parameters, costs tend to go down (HDTV anyone?). The difficult fact for some to admit is that sometimes the government does help matters.
As for DC, I will more than likely be biased on this, but take an honest look at the past 2-3 decades and tell me which party dug in their heels most often and refused to budge on matters the other party was pursuing and utilized the tactic of calling the “enemy” un-American. By usage of xenophobia and faux patriotism, one party consistently floods the media with those memes and uses this as their marketing to get elected.
We could have a minority party that participates constructively in the victorious majority’s governing agenda, shaping policy around the margins in ways more to their liking or we can have what we have now, which is a system in which a defeated minority rejects the majority’s governing agenda out of hand, seeks openings for attack, and hopes that failure on the part of the majority will bring them to power.
Essentially, the basis for one party winning is to do everything possible to make everything else fail for the other party. The losers in the end are the American people. Why does the American public want to elect people who go out of their way to create failure? Yet, many people do, failing to realize that their party isn’t interested in governing but strictly being in power.
I don’t have time to go into the long sordid history of how politics has shifted over past half century to work against the ideas that our founding fathers set forth, so suffice to say that if one does honest research with an open mind, they will be surprised at how they managed to avert reality and see how budgets, spending and benefits that many Americans now enjoy (think voting rights, vacations and end of child labor to name a few) are results of one ideology than what you may have been led to believe.
Duuude – $7,000 for a vasectomy?? WOW! Did you get your whole baseball team neutered?? Around here they cost $700-$1000. Shoulda shopped around a little bit more.
$700-$1000? That’s crazy.
Duuude!!! I know this guy. $200 and a case of beer.
Yeah! Let us all debate this on this blog that way the people who rule us will see that we the un-washed masses have the real answer. Here are the facts:
1. No matter how this bill is written and passed my coverage will go down. My taxes and rates will go up.
2. Not a single group in this country will get what they want.
3. We will have to do this all over again within 20 years.
4. The unintended side-effects of this bill will kill some amount of people.
5. And illegal immigrants will get coverage just like they have now.
Fell free to continue to debate, but these are the facts.
isiah nailed it.
Isiah, does that mean I don’t have to get off my ass and exercise….goody!
isiah, those aren’t facts. To be a fact, it must have existing, verifiable proof and since all your statements are all future tense, that would make them opinions. Albeit, some poorly informed ones, but opinions nonetheless.
ray – which is exactly what Congress is offering. Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one.
All kidding aside, we’re in a no-win situation. No one’s going to be happy with any of the proposed solutions. Public option, abortion, costs, illegal aliens, private insurance companies, profits, taxes, tort reform, and other concerns are bones of contention for various parties. Sadly, in this whole brouhaha, we seem to avoid focusing on quality of care and continuity of care.
If there is no possible way something can not be true even if it hasnt happened yet it is a fact.
isiah, if your last statement is truly believed by you, then it’s quite obvious your thoughts are quite worthless. Aside from the fact that the bill has no effect on your present coverage. Whatever you have now, you keep. If it changes it’s because of your choice. If you preach personal responsibility, take some rather than blaming everything you do wrong on everything else. The present bill unfortunately has been watered down, in large part to those who are resisting it and because of that, many will not be happy with the final product. If it had remained intact the majority of Americans and businesses would have been happy. As it is there will be fewer in that category, but there will be those who will appreciate some change to the status quo. Your 20 year assumption is just that, an assumption. It’s impossible for the bill to kill anyone as it says nothing to be capable of such a thing. And the bill has specific language denying coverage for immigrants. What it comes down to, is you have no concept of what a fact is, nor any grasp of the English language.
Thank You Tim. I came thru that last one not too bad. They do have miracle drugs now for the nausea, etc. Thanks for your kind words, they mean a lot.
DJ: That’s right. $7,000 big ones. I happen to be fortunate enough to have a good job and excellent benefits. Which does not keep me from feeling really sorry for whoever doesn’t. And yes, it scares me to lose my job one day and have to resort to the $200 guy with a case of beer. Nobody should have to go to him for that type of service. Bubba is the last person I want around my testicles!
They started it!!!!
Thanks so much Julie. I’m heading there now for #4 and I’ll be half way thru. I don’t recommend it to anyone but whatchagoingtodo? 🙂 The strength of my friends and family carry me through.
If it were only as simple as the (FUNNY) posted picture. If people took better care of themselves (and learned to laugh a bit while doing it), there would be less need for health insurance. On the other hand, you can’t spend what the US does per capita with such middling overall results and NOT try to fix it somehow. I’m too stupid to know what is the best path, but I do know a civilized society MUST balance personal responsibility with compassion.
Ray – I also agree that something needs to be done to make health insurance more affordable. Where we disagree is how that can be done. I am very cynical about politicians and seeing what has been happening in Washington (take your pick–the last few months or the last few decades) does not instill confidence in me (as I mentioned in my earlier comments). I am more for letting the free market concept make health insurance more affordable, and I think we should start there and go from there. Yes, we probably should still have the states keep an eye on health insurance providers to ensure they are keeping up with their end of the contract, but outside of that, what government oversight/management do we need, especially at the federal level? If I could get affordable private insurance, then I would not have to worry about what kind of job I have, the medical conditions I have, or the fact that my wife is looking at a short life since her mom and grandmother died of cancer (at ages 48 and 52, respectively).
Bella – I am sorry that I missed where you had cancer, and I do hope that the treatments you are going through eradicate the cancer and you remain cancer-free; and also that the side effects of the treatment do not bother you.
You’re not so stupid, Stupid.
Tim, if the free market was the answer, why haven’t they done anything yet? With healthcare costs escalating faster than most everything else in the economy, their answer is to cut loose some 650,000 policies simply to boost stock prices. That’s how it works– the free market caters to the stock holders, not to people who they should serve. It’s simply profit over life. There are many other factors that keep costs high, but when the government mandates certain parameters, costs tend to go down (HDTV anyone?). The difficult fact for some to admit is that sometimes the government does help matters.
As for DC, I will more than likely be biased on this, but take an honest look at the past 2-3 decades and tell me which party dug in their heels most often and refused to budge on matters the other party was pursuing and utilized the tactic of calling the “enemy” un-American. By usage of xenophobia and faux patriotism, one party consistently floods the media with those memes and uses this as their marketing to get elected.
We could have a minority party that participates constructively in the victorious majority’s governing agenda, shaping policy around the margins in ways more to their liking or we can have what we have now, which is a system in which a defeated minority rejects the majority’s governing agenda out of hand, seeks openings for attack, and hopes that failure on the part of the majority will bring them to power.
Essentially, the basis for one party winning is to do everything possible to make everything else fail for the other party. The losers in the end are the American people. Why does the American public want to elect people who go out of their way to create failure? Yet, many people do, failing to realize that their party isn’t interested in governing but strictly being in power.
I don’t have time to go into the long sordid history of how politics has shifted over past half century to work against the ideas that our founding fathers set forth, so suffice to say that if one does honest research with an open mind, they will be surprised at how they managed to avert reality and see how budgets, spending and benefits that many Americans now enjoy (think voting rights, vacations and end of child labor to name a few) are results of one ideology than what you may have been led to believe.
Duuude – $7,000 for a vasectomy?? WOW! Did you get your whole baseball team neutered?? Around here they cost $700-$1000. Shoulda shopped around a little bit more.
$700-$1000? That’s crazy.
Duuude!!! I know this guy. $200 and a case of beer.
Yeah! Let us all debate this on this blog that way the people who rule us will see that we the un-washed masses have the real answer. Here are the facts:
1. No matter how this bill is written and passed my coverage will go down. My taxes and rates will go up.
2. Not a single group in this country will get what they want.
3. We will have to do this all over again within 20 years.
4. The unintended side-effects of this bill will kill some amount of people.
5. And illegal immigrants will get coverage just like they have now.
Fell free to continue to debate, but these are the facts.
isiah nailed it.
Isiah, does that mean I don’t have to get off my ass and exercise….goody!
isiah, those aren’t facts. To be a fact, it must have existing, verifiable proof and since all your statements are all future tense, that would make them opinions. Albeit, some poorly informed ones, but opinions nonetheless.
ray – which is exactly what Congress is offering. Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one.
All kidding aside, we’re in a no-win situation. No one’s going to be happy with any of the proposed solutions. Public option, abortion, costs, illegal aliens, private insurance companies, profits, taxes, tort reform, and other concerns are bones of contention for various parties. Sadly, in this whole brouhaha, we seem to avoid focusing on quality of care and continuity of care.
If there is no possible way something can not be true even if it hasnt happened yet it is a fact.
isiah, if your last statement is truly believed by you, then it’s quite obvious your thoughts are quite worthless. Aside from the fact that the bill has no effect on your present coverage. Whatever you have now, you keep. If it changes it’s because of your choice. If you preach personal responsibility, take some rather than blaming everything you do wrong on everything else. The present bill unfortunately has been watered down, in large part to those who are resisting it and because of that, many will not be happy with the final product. If it had remained intact the majority of Americans and businesses would have been happy. As it is there will be fewer in that category, but there will be those who will appreciate some change to the status quo. Your 20 year assumption is just that, an assumption. It’s impossible for the bill to kill anyone as it says nothing to be capable of such a thing. And the bill has specific language denying coverage for immigrants. What it comes down to, is you have no concept of what a fact is, nor any grasp of the English language.
Thank You Tim. I came thru that last one not too bad. They do have miracle drugs now for the nausea, etc. Thanks for your kind words, they mean a lot.
DJ: That’s right. $7,000 big ones. I happen to be fortunate enough to have a good job and excellent benefits. Which does not keep me from feeling really sorry for whoever doesn’t. And yes, it scares me to lose my job one day and have to resort to the $200 guy with a case of beer. Nobody should have to go to him for that type of service. Bubba is the last person I want around my testicles!