The Big Picture has some really good pictures from the inauguration yesterday.
The First Family – I wonder why second daughter Sasha is standing on a block?
All the spectators look like ants.
Former President George W. Bush leaves in Marine One as President Obama and the Biden’s wave from the steps of the Capitol.
Bush’s view from Marine One as he leaves the Capitol.
More outstanding pictures here
Dear Kevin:
We are both doing a ton of typing! I will edit your post down to keep this from being more than a country mile long!
“After 8 years of mispronouncing the same word, I think it does.”
My girl friend just can’t say aluminum, she just can’t. Does that make her dumb? How about JFK and “Idear” and “Cuber”. We both know that that is the famous Boston twang. But here in the midwest it sure sounds like butchering!
“Off of his teleprompter, he is not a good public speaker.”
‘On or off, he is light years ahead of W.’
In ideas, most of the time, it is Obama that is laps behind in a sprint!
“Please cite a single example of Bush putting his life on the line to defend anything.”
Again you forget his most honorable service in the Texas Air National Guard as an F-102 pilot. That is a career field where not all survive. The Air Force lost pilots all of the time.
I did. Are you OK with that??
” Neither have most members of the Bush Administration [worn the uniform],…”
And how many in Obama’s corrupt cabinet?
“I’m afraid recent history shows that it has been the Republicans who have been running up the deficit… going back as far as the 70’s anyway.”
Both sides has done red ink spending. And it goes back much, much farther than you cite. The only reason clinton could brag about a surplus was due to the hard work of Speaker Gingrich and Majority leader Lott. They were the ones that fought clinton tooth and nail to get the tax cuts and limits on spending that gave us the surplus. Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming. But when the polls changed to back the GOP, clinton then said it was his idea all along and signed it. And the press gave clinton the credit and not the GOP.
Now the GOP forgot about limiting spending and poof, goodby surplus. That we will agree more or less on. President Bush should have been tougher here.
Today we have the dems in total control and guess what, we are to expect TRILLION plus dollars in RED INK each year. Is that what you like? Or is Obama and his party of huge spenders wrong???
“It’s a well-documented fact that Bush did his everything he could to avoid putting his life on the line.”
Fact, then 1LT Bush tried twice to go active duty to fly in Vietnam. Twice he was denied. I don’t know why. But it is a fact. So yours is only an urban myth.
“You don’t even want to count the votes of our military serving abroad!
I don’t??? I did not know that.”
That is a fact. In Florida in 2000, Gore had a great many votes thrown out from the military AND many networks called Florida for Gore before the panhandle polls closed. That is a very military area in FL. That again was the Democrat plan in 2008. I wonder how many military absentee votes Franken got tossed in Minn??
“If you take another look through my posts, you will discover that I have made no great claims about Obama, or Democrats, or liberals”
I will take the hit there.
“… and no disparaging remarks about Republicans or conservatives in general.”
You need to reread your posts slamming everone that is conservative. And take a huge hit there!
“Because he put Sarah Palin on the ticket?”
Yes, and more experiance.
“I thought you said you had read Ann Coulter… but maybe I am mistaken. And she is hardly the only one on the right spewing hate. ”
In liberal speak, truth about liberals is spewing hate. I have seen the same in your posts about conservatives. Only you have problems with facts.
“I certainly have… and she is right there on the outer fringes of the extreme right, along with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.”
Am I to take it that conservative should have no voice? That we should be totally silent?? That only liberals should be heard???
“So she IS the only reason McCain got your vote.”
And that McCain would be a better choice than a total rookie still reading even today, “How to be a President for Dummies”.
“Absolutely EVERYTHING they predicted regarding the Iraq war turned out to be wrong.”
I wouldn’t say that. George did what your side said was impossible, he won the darned thing! Now think what a disaster Iraq would be if President Bush had listened to your side!
“I have read much from you that ain’t true.
Please feel free to cite examples.”
President Bush’s military service.
Winning in Iraq.
Gov. Palin being Unqualified.
Obama being qualified.
“Before Bush took office, I didn’t know where most people stood politically… and now I do. That is the difference.”
I’ll even cite a more extreme example of this nation being divided. Ever hear of the Civil War??? That makes today look like not much of a problem!
But you did help make my point. You started to pay attention in 2001. I started, well not at the Civil War, but Vietnam. I have seen much division sense then. Back then the parties did have more cooperation on certain issues. That spirit seemed to end when Reagan became President. The left hated him. Part of that was Reagan could easily do and end run around the press and talk so well to the American People. That is how he got Democrats to back him up on many needed programs. The dems hated that.
“Bush probably would have carved out a nice little career in fast food mismanagement if he had been born into an average American family, instead of into money and connections.”
We will never know. He may have made a career in the miltiary. Maybe even General Bush??
So are you against the Kennedy clan? They too are exactly what you slam Bush for.
“Obama on the other hand, worked his way to the top.”
Only in politics. He won two elections by getting access to sealed divorce documents to trash his opponents with. Yup, Obama does play dirty!
“I have watched him on a daily basis for eight years, and every day he confirms the suspicions I had about him before he took office.”
I wonder here. We will see with Obama how kind he is leaving. And remember the mess the clintons left behind for George to clean up??
“Is that about where you’d put Ann Coulter too? Just wondering.”
I think on ideas, Ann is about center in the right. I think it is her style more than anything else that has you pissed! Maybe is it that she is also rather good looking? Just a guess!
“Again, I have made no disparaging remarks about any Party or affiliation… just the sorry excuse for a president that just left office.”
I guess that Ann Coulter, Rush, Cheney, Joe the plumber then don’t count.
Guard SGT (ret)
looks like bush feels like there goes the neighborhood… thank god I raped the United States of America so I can afford to move up in the world… what a chump…
bush should be heald accountable for war crimes and hung like sadem husian…
Dear What the L:
You are very, very extreme!
You are also very, very drunk on the DNC Kool-aide!
Wake me when you sober up!
Guard SGT (ret)
Hi Sarge,
“After 8 years of mispronouncing the same word, I think it does.”
> My girl friend just can’t say aluminum, she just can’t. Does that make her dumb?
I won’t go there since I have never heard her speak.
> How about JFK and “Idear” and “Cuber”. We both know that that is the famous Boston twang.
> But here in the midwest it sure sounds like butchering!
As you said, that is the Boston dialect. What Bush does is something entirely different: He sticks a vowel sound between the “c” and “l” in nuclear, where it clearly doesn’t belong (this point alone is enough to make me want to throw my shoes at him).
> In ideas, most of the time, it is Obama that is laps behind in a sprint!
Bush wouldn’t know a fresh idea if it hit him in the head.
“Please cite a single example of Bush putting his life on the line to defend anything.”
> Again you forget his most honorable service in the Texas Air National Guard as an F-102 pilot.
Whose lives did he defend in Texas or Alabama?
” Neither have most members of the Bush Administration [worn the uniform],…”
> And how many in Obama’s corrupt cabinet?
Corrupt or not, you once again make my point for me: Does it really make a difference if members of the presidential administration have served in combat?
> Today we have the dems in total control and guess what, we are to expect TRILLION plus dollars in
> RED INK each year. Is that what you like? Or is Obama and his party of huge spenders wrong???
I’m not a big fan of Dubya’s specialty of turning surplus into deficit if that’s what you’re asking.
“It’s a well-documented fact that Bush did his everything he could to avoid putting his life on the line.”
> Fact, then 1LT Bush tried twice to go active duty to fly in Vietnam. Twice he was denied. I don’t know why.
> But it is a fact. So yours is only an urban myth.
Sources please. In the meantime, you haven’t been able to explain away George’s own words and deeds:
“It was either Canada or the service… Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots.”
— George W. Bush
“Do not volunteer for overseas service.”
— Box checked by Bush when he signed up for the National Guard
“You don’t even want to count the votes of our military serving abroad!
I don’t??? I did not know that.”
> That is a fact. In Florida in 2000, Gore had a great many votes thrown out from the military AND many networks
> called Florida for Gore before the panhandle polls closed.
Whatever. I didn’t make any claims either way on this one.
“… and no disparaging remarks about Republicans or conservatives in general.”
> You need to reread your posts slamming everone that is conservative. And take a huge hit there!
You need to reread what I said above… which was “in general.”
“Because he put Sarah Palin on the ticket?”
> Yes, and more experiance.
Experience notwithstanding, she is just another laughable cartoon character like Dan Quayle and George W. Bush.
“I thought you said you had read Ann Coulter… but maybe I am mistaken. And she is hardly the only one on the right spewing hate. ”
> In liberal speak, truth about liberals is spewing hate.
And in Guard SGT speak, truth about right-wing extremists is spewing hate.
>I have seen the same in your posts about conservatives.
I do hate stupidity, I’ll give you that.
> Only you have problems with facts.
On the contrary.
“I certainly have… and she is right there on the outer fringes of the extreme right, along with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.”
> Am I to take it that conservative should have no voice? That we should be totally silent?? That only liberals should be heard???
Absolutely not… all I’m asking for is rebuttal time.
“So she IS the only reason McCain got your vote.”
> And that McCain would be a better choice than a total rookie still reading even today, “How to be a President for Dummies”.
At least Obama is literate enough to read (and write) books… and speak like a grown-up.
“Absolutely EVERYTHING they predicted regarding the Iraq war turned out to be wrong.”
> I wouldn’t say that. George did what your side said was impossible, he won the darned thing!
Oh my god… it’s “mission accomplished” all over again.
> Now think what a disaster Iraq would be if President Bush had listened to your side!
By any standards, Iraq is disaster of monumental proportions… one that could easily have been avoided by not going there in the first place.
“I have read much from you that ain’t true.
Please feel free to cite examples.”
> President Bush’s military service.
> Winning in Iraq.
> Gov. Palin being Unqualified.
> Obama being qualified.
The above are arguable rather than provable points… with the possible exception of the first one.
“Bush probably would have carved out a nice little career in fast food mismanagement if he had been born
into an average American family, instead of into money and connections.”
> We will never know. He may have made a career in the miltiary. Maybe even General Bush??
Thanks for that… I needed a good laugh.
> So are you against the Kennedy clan? They too are exactly what you slam Bush for.
No, I slam Bush for blatantly using connections rather than his own efforts to get where he is.
“Obama on the other hand, worked his way to the top.”
> Only in politics. He won two elections by getting access to sealed divorce documents to trash his opponents with.
> Yup, Obama does play dirty!
Whether that’s true or not, is it okay when Karl Rove does it?
> And remember the mess the clintons left behind for George to clean up??
Sorry to tell you this, but it’s the Bushes who leave messes of mass destruction for future generations to clean up.
“Is that about where you’d put Ann Coulter too? Just wondering.”
> I think on ideas, Ann is about center in the right. I think it is her style more than anything else that has you pissed!
> Maybe is it that she is also rather good looking? Just a guess!
She has nice legs, but her eyes give away just how batshit crazy she is.
“Again, I have made no disparaging remarks about any Party or affiliation… just the sorry excuse for a president that just left office.”
> I guess that Ann Coulter, Rush, Cheney, Joe the plumber then don’t count.
I will admit to singling out several extremists, but still have yet to make disparaging remarks about any party or affiliation.
Best….
Kevin
Dear Guard SGT,
The SGT is speechless… that’s not like you.
Ready for the super glue to put you back together?
Best…
Kevin
P.S….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm
Hey Kevin,
It is a long typing debate we are enjoying.
“My girl friend just can’t say aluminum, she just can’t. Does that make her dumb?
I won’t go there since I have never heard her speak.”
Smart! She is retired Guard too! And her Dad!
“As you said, that is the Boston dialect. What Bush does is something entirely different: He sticks a vowel sound between the “c” and “l” in nuclear, where it clearly doesn’t belong (this point alone is enough to make me want to throw my shoes at him).”
Being a good speaker doesn’t mean you are a positive leader. Just look at Hitler, Stalin, and Lennin. You can’t they were positive leaders. Therefore it is also true that someone that isn’t the best speaker can be a positive leader. So while a word now and then may offend your ear, in the end, it is the message that is important.
And you can be a real language butch like Yogi Berra and still be highly respected.
“Bush wouldn’t know a fresh idea if it hit him in the head.”
There you are typing from hate not facts or logic. President Bush against much advice pressed ahead with the surge in Iraq that worked so well.
“…Texas Air National Guard as an F-102 pilot.
Whose lives did he defend in Texas or Alabama?”
Kevin, the Air and Army National Guard mission is unique in the military. Our first duty is to the state and the Governor. We can be called to active duty by the Governor of our state or sent to help another state. We can do humanitarian missions are well as law enforcement missions.
Now to your question. Remember Cuba? Back then the USSR had many manned bombers that could attack the USA with nukes staged through Cuba. So the mission was very real.
“Corrupt or not, you once again make my point for me: Does it really make a difference if members of the presidential administration have served in combat?”
It sure seems to you that is important if the President is Republican. But unimportant if he is a democrat. Double standard????
“I’m not a big fan of Dubya’s specialty of turning surplus into deficit if that’s what you’re asking.”
And am not either. The GOP forgot the hard won victory of Gingrich and Lott. But the fact remains Obama plans to spend more than any President in history and use more red ink. That is NOT good!
“Sources please. In the meantime, you haven’t been able to explain away George’s own words and deeds:”
I don’t have Nexus/Lexus. But I remember back in 2004, a reporter did look into President Bush’s service in the TexAir Guard. That was part of that story.
“It was either Canada or the service… Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots.”
— George W. Bush
“Do not volunteer for overseas service.”
— Box checked by Bush when he signed up for the National Guard
I’d like to the paragraph the first pull quote is from.
On the second, he changed his mind. Note that the pull quote is from the start of his service. People do change.
“You don’t even want to count the votes of our military serving abroad!
Whatever. I didn’t make any claims either way on this one.”
True, but it has been and continues to be a policy of the Democrats. And to allow and encourage over votes by minorities.
“… and no disparaging remarks about Republicans or conservatives in general.”
> You need to reread your posts slamming everyone that is conservative. And take a huge hit there!
You need to reread what I said above… which was “in general.”
That sound like a Clinton and the meaning of “is” parsing. You make many very negative comments about any leading conservatives. Anyone that is in the public eye (and your radar) gets slammed.
“Experience notwithstanding, she is just another laughable cartoon character like Dan Quayle and George W. Bush.”
See above!
“And in Guard SGT speak, truth about right-wing extremists is spewing hate.”
I have seen mostly political urban myths that you have repeated. I have debunked them as best I can.
“I certainly have… and she is right there on the outer fringes of the extreme right, along with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.”
Then where do you place Rep. Ron Paul???
” Am I to take it that conservative should have no voice? That we should be totally silent?? That only liberals should be heard???
Absolutely not… all I’m asking for is rebuttal time.”
You have plenty of rebuttal time. I don’t see much if any conservatism on ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC. Right now there is a sort of balance. You have that. We have talk radio and between us is FoxNews. The ONLY unbiased channel is C-SPAN.
“At least Obama is literate enough to read (and write) books… and speak like a grown-up.”
Right now I am seeing debate on the topic of was Obama’s books ghost written. And Obama’s first speach as President didn’t get high marks.
I have listened to Obama on the campaign trail. I have never heard so many words used to say so little.
“Oh my god… it’s “mission accomplished” all over again.”
Here is a fact for you. The “Mission Accomplished” banner was put up by the carrier’s crew as they were heading back to home port after accomplishing their mission. It was not put up by anyone in the Bush team. In hindsight, they should have asked to take it down. It is amazing how something can be so misinterpreted.
“By any standards, Iraq is disaster of monumental proportions… one that could easily have been avoided by not going there in the first place.”
What!!! People being free is a disaster?? A murderous dictator gone is a disaster?? A country that had and was pursuing WMD, disarmed a disaster?? A country that was aiding terrorists gone a disaster. I would call that a victory!
“I have read much from you that ain’t true.
Please feel free to cite examples.
> President Bush’s military service.
> Winning in Iraq.
> Gov. Palin being Unqualified.
> Obama being qualified.
The above are arguable rather than provable points… with the possible exception of the first one.”
Sorry, all are facts beyond debate. Plus you haven’t shown with anything that Obama is either qualified or better qualified than Governor Palin. Compare Resume to Resume.
” We will never know. He may have made a career in the military. Maybe even General Bush??
Thanks for that… I needed a good laugh.”
Glad I could help! Many Guard pilots continue to fly as Airline Pilots. George could have flown you all over the country/world.
“No, I slam Bush for blatantly using connections rather than his own efforts to get where he is.”
An F-102 don’t give a damn about connections. Neither did his victories to be Governor or President. For all, you either do it or you don’t.
Connections could have given George a start. But George had to do the rest on his own.
But there was JFK whose Dad bragged on the Today Show that he bought his son a million votes. My Mom saw it live.
“”> Yup, Obama does play dirty!
Whether that’s true or not, is it okay when Karl Rove does it?”
It is true about Obama. Take a look for yourself. Rove does play hard politics. But I have seem many slams, but nothing about unsealing court records.
“And remember the mess the clintons left behind for George to clean up??
Sorry to tell you this, but it’s the Bushes who leave messes of mass destruction for future generations to clean up.”
I see a short memory here. Look back at the mess from the Clintons in a literally filthy, trashed White House.
I am sure that the Bushes left the White House in White Glove inspection order.
But when it comes to the political end, we just ain’t going to agree. I will say that in many areas, George left things better than he got from Clinton. And in three days of Obama, we are going backwards fast!
“Again, I have made no disparaging remarks about any Party or affiliation… just the sorry excuse for a president that just left office.”
> I guess that Ann Coulter, Rush, Cheney, Joe the plumber then don’t count.
I will admit to singling out several extremists, but still have yet to make disparaging remarks about any party or affiliation.”
I guess anyone that isn’t on the extreme left is a dangerous extremist on the right.
Again you will slam all that don’t agree with you. Again you want no disagreement in the public forum from those that beg to differ. That is dangerous. It is the first sign of a dictatorship.
All my best, Guard SGT (ret)
Hi Sarge,
> Being a good speaker doesn’t mean you are a positive leader. Just look at Hitler, Stalin,
> and Lennin. You can’t they were positive leaders. Therefore it is also true that someone
> that isn’t the best speaker can be a positive leader. So while a word now and then may
> offend your ear, in the end, it is the message that is important.
Sorry, but Bush in no way, shape or form was a positive leader. He and his administration cast long, dark shadows over the world… and you could almost hear the entire planet sigh with relief when Bush finally, and mercifully was whisked away in a helicopter after the inaugural.
> And you can be a real language butch like Yogi Berra and still be highly respected.
I *LOVE* Yogi…. but I sure wouldn’t want him to be president.
“Bush wouldn’t know a fresh idea if it hit him in the head.”
> There you are typing from hate not facts or logic.
I do hate what Bush did during his term in office… so you’re partly right.
> President Bush against much advice pressed ahead with the surge in Iraq that worked so well.
“Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.” — John Adams
“Corrupt or not, you once again make my point for me: Does it really make a difference
if members of the presidential administration have served in combat?”
> It sure seems to you that is important if the President is Republican. But unimportant if
> he is a democrat. Double standard????
In my opinion, it doesn’t matter in either case.
“I’m not a big fan of Dubya’s specialty of turning surplus into deficit if that’s what you’re asking.”
> And am not either. The GOP forgot the hard won victory of Gingrich and Lott. But the fact
> remains Obama plans to spend more than any President in history and use more red ink.
> That is NOT good!
I don’t know how his plan will turn out, and I kinda doubt that you do either.
“It was either Canada or the service… Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots.”
— George W. Bush
“Do not volunteer for overseas service.”
— Box checked by Bush when he signed up for the National Guard
> I’d like to the paragraph the first pull quote is from.
Here you go….
“I don’t want to play like I was somebody out there marching when I wasn’t. It was either Canada or the service. …
Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots. All I know is, there weren’t that many people trying to be pilots.”
Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Nov. 29, 1998
“… and no disparaging remarks about Republicans or conservatives in general.”
> You need to reread your posts slamming everyone that is conservative. And take a huge hit there!
You need to reread what I said above… which was “in general.”
> That sound like a Clinton and the meaning of “is” parsing.
Not at all… I have been very consistent in making no grand sweeping statements (good or bad) about ANY political party. You (cough), on the other hand….
> You make many very negative comments about any leading conservatives. Anyone that is in the public
> eye (and your radar) gets slammed.
Half a dozen people is not everybody.
“And in Guard SGT speak, truth about right-wing extremists is spewing hate.”
> I have seen mostly political urban myths that you have repeated.
I would love to see a list of the “mostly political urban myths” that I have repeated, if you would be so kind as to put one together.
> I have debunked them as best I can.
I wish I could give you higher marks here.
“I certainly have… and she is right there on the outer fringes of the extreme right, along with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.”
> Then where do you place Rep. Ron Paul???
He made more sense than any of the other Republican candidates.
“At least Obama is literate enough to read (and write) books… and speak like a grown-up.”
> Right now I am seeing debate on the topic of was Obama’s books ghost written.
Where exactly is this debate taking place?
“Oh my god… it’s “mission accomplished” all over again.”
> Here is a fact for you. The “Mission Accomplished” banner was put up by the carrier’s crew as they
> were heading back to home port after accomplishing their mission. It was not put up by anyone in
> the Bush team. In hindsight, they should have asked to take it down. It is amazing how something
> can be so misinterpreted.
I’m not misinterpreting anything:
White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier
told Bush aides they wanted a “Mission Accomplished” banner, and the White House agreed to create it. “We took
care of the production of it,” McClellan said. “We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up.”
“By any standards, Iraq is disaster of monumental proportions… one that could easily have been
avoided by not going there in the first place.”
> What!!! People being free is a disaster??
Tens of thousands (possibly even hundreds of thousands) of civilian casualties is a disaster of monumental proportions… by ANY standards.
> A murderous dictator gone is a disaster??
Are you talking about Saddam or Bush here?
> A country that had and was pursuing WMD, disarmed a disaster?? A country that was aiding terrorists
> gone a disaster. I would call that a victory!
You and the Bush Administration.
“I have read much from you that ain’t true.
Please feel free to cite examples.
> President Bush’s military service.
> Winning in Iraq.
> Gov. Palin being Unqualified.
> Obama being qualified.
The above are arguable rather than provable points… with the possible exception of the first one.”
> Sorry, all are facts beyond debate.
Sorry, but no they’re not.
> Plus you haven’t shown with anything that Obama is either qualified or better qualified than
> Governor Palin. Compare Resume to Resume.
I have eyes and ears, and they tell me that the former has intelligence, substance, and the ability to bring people together both at home and abroad… while the latter is, to be kind, rather clueless and divisive.
“No, I slam Bush for blatantly using connections rather than his own efforts to get where he is.”
> An F-102 don’t give a damn about connections. Neither did his victories to be Governor or President.
> For all, you either do it or you don’t. Connections could have given George a start. But George had
> to do the rest on his own.
If you think W. became president on his own, you have been dabbling in illegal substances… and the least you could do is share.
> But there was JFK whose Dad bragged on the Today Show that he bought his son a million votes. My Mom saw it live.
And the chairman of Diebold declared he would do whatever was necessary to get Bush elected in Ohio during the 2004 election. We could do this all day.
> Rove does play hard politics.
Dirty, filthy, DESPICABLE politics.
“And remember the mess the clintons left behind for George to clean up??
Sorry to tell you this, but it’s the Bushes who leave messes of mass destruction for future generations to clean up.”
> Look back at the mess from the Clintons in a literally filthy, trashed White House.
Certain members of the Clinton administration may have trashed the White House, but the Bushes trashed the country… and beyond.
> I am sure that the Bushes left the White House in White Glove inspection order.
In sharp contrast to the way they left the world.
> But when it comes to the political end, we just ain’t going to agree.
I think you may be on to something here.
> I will say that in many areas, George left things better than he got from Clinton.
I’d say another list would be in order.
> I guess anyone that isn’t on the extreme left is a dangerous extremist on the right.
I never insinuated anything of the kind.
> Again you will slam all that don’t agree with you.
Said the pot to the kettle.
> Again you want no disagreement in the public forum from those that beg to differ.
Again, all I asked for was an opportunity for rebuttal.
> That is dangerous. It is the first sign of a dictatorship.
It was the Bush Administration that tried so hard to suppress dissent, and Bush himself who said: “If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.”
Best….
Kevin
gaurd sgt… what of duffus you are… are you retired or did they kick your sorry ass out… lol..
try running for president… president of bush whackers fan club… again.. your a duffus…
sorry for last comment… I read it in error… thought that was gaurd dogs girl friend…lol…
if itwas gaurd dogs girl friend… she would be stupid… stupid she had gaurd dog for a boy friend…lol…
What the L????
Grab some pine! Better yet, hit the showers! Your swinging and missing everything! You struck out when the other team had the intentional walk on!
If I was to show what you typed, you would be in the dog house eating Gravy Train!
I retired with full honors.
That is a high honor you will never know! Or even begin to understand.
Guard SGT (ret)
Kevin:
I am back. The funeral was for the 15 year old grandson of my uncle. Needless to say, not a good day. But I am back now.
I will be editing down your last post. This way we can narrow things down and save both of us some typing. OK????
“Sorry, but Bush in no way, shape or form was a positive leader. He and his administration cast long, dark shadows over the world… and you could almost hear the entire planet sigh with relief when Bush finally, and mercifully was whisked away in a helicopter after the inaugural.”
I just read a story in the British Daily Mail that says America is having “Buyers Remorse” over Obama. So you comment is spin.
“I *LOVE* Yogi…. but I sure wouldn’t want him to be president.”
We agree.
“President Bush against much advice pressed ahead with the surge in Iraq that worked so well.
“Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.” — John Adams”
I guess the many UN resolutions against Iraq are meaningless to you!
“In my opinion, it doesn’t matter in either case.”
You were the one that made a big deal of people in the Bush White House not be vets. So you are disagreeing with yourself now!
“I don’t know how his [Obama] plan will turn out, and I kinda doubt that you do either.”
I think I do. It has been tried here before and it has always failed. The GOP in the House and 11 Democrats agreed it is bad. That is bi-partisan.
“I don’t want to play like I was somebody out there marching when I wasn’t. It was either Canada or the service. …
Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots. All I know is, there weren’t that many people trying to be pilots.”
Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Nov. 29, 1998″
He changed his mind. Can YOU accept that? He did try twice to go to Vietnam as a pilot.
“You need to reread what I said above… which was “in general.””
Your “general” is every GOP person. Is there any Conservative that you like?
“He [Ron Paul] made more sense than any of the other Republican candidates.”
Representative Paul is far from the mainstream of the GOP. While he did have a very few good ideas, I don’t know who I would have voted for if Paul and Obama were the nominees. Probably “none of the above”
“At least Obama is literate enough to read (and write) books… and speak like a grown-up.”
A very arrogant one!
“Right now I am seeing debate on the topic of was Obama’s books ghost written.
Where exactly is this debate taking place?”
On conservative boards. I am only saying there is debate, but no proof.
“White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier
told Bush aides they wanted a “Mission Accomplished” banner, and the White House agreed to create it. “We took
care of the production of it,” McClellan said. “We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up.””
We will disagree.
“[Iraq] Tens of thousands (possibly even hundreds of thousands) of civilian casualties is a disaster of monumental proportions… by ANY standards.
I guess what is going on in Iraq today doesn’t count for anything.
“A murderous dictator gone is a disaster??
Are you talking about Saddam or Bush here?”
That shows your bigotry in what I am hoping will be a debate on facts. If you stand by your statement, this segment is closed.
“A country that had and was pursuing WMD, disarmed a disaster?? A country that was aiding terrorists
> gone a disaster. I would call that a victory!
You and the Bush Administration.”
And we are correct!
“Plus you haven’t shown with anything that Obama is either qualified or better qualified than
> Governor Palin. Compare Resume to Resume.
I have eyes and ears, and they tell me that the former has intelligence, substance, and the ability to bring people together both at home and abroad… while the latter is, to be kind, rather clueless and divisive.”
You haven’t answered my question. Try again without the horse hockey.
“… you have been dabbling in illegal substances… and the least you could do is share.”
Never have! And passed a great many military drug tests
” Rove does play hard politics.
Dirty, filthy, DESPICABLE politics.”
I guess that would be the view of the loser.
‘Look back at the mess from the Clintons in a literally filthy, trashed White House.
Certain members of the Clinton administration may have trashed the White House’
We agree. The Clinton people were very sore losers.
“…but the Bushes trashed the country… and beyond.”
History will disagree with you.
> I guess anyone that isn’t on the extreme left is a dangerous extremist on the right.
I never insinuated anything of the kind. Again you want no disagreement in the public forum from those that beg to differ [talk radio].
Again, all I asked for was an opportunity for rebuttal.
You have ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR and more. What you are back door wanting is a very one sided news set up.
“That is dangerous. It is the first sign of a dictatorship.
It was the Bush Administration that tried so hard to suppress dissent, and Bush himself who said: “If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.”
What network news did President Bush shut down or even try to? So while you are very good at the “pull quote” war. You lack the facts to back them up. Kevin, I think your handle should be “Out of Context”.
Obama’s first 9 days show his extreme inexperience and out right arrogance. Neither are good for the country.
Guard SGT (ret)
Hi Sarge,
> I am back. The funeral was for the 15 year old grandson of my uncle.
> Needless to say, not a good day. But I am back now.
I am genuinely sorry for your loss… dying that young for whatever reason is a tragedy.
> “President Bush against much advice pressed ahead with the surge in Iraq that worked so well.
“Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.” — John Adams”
> I guess the many UN resolutions against Iraq are meaningless to you!
First of all, the bigger priority at the time was Afghanistan (and it could be argued, North Korea). Second of all, resolutions are not worth losing hundreds of thousands of lives over.
“In my opinion, it doesn’t matter in either case.”
> You were the one that made a big deal of people in the Bush White House not be vets.
> So you are disagreeing with yourself now!
You mentioned that you were willing to die for your country, which I applaud you for. I simply pointed out that that was one thing you and Bush didn’t have in common.
“I don’t want to play like I was somebody out there marching when I wasn’t. It was either Canada or the service. …
Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots. All I know is, there weren’t that many people trying to be pilots.”
Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Nov. 29, 1998″
> He changed his mind. Can YOU accept that? He did try twice to go to Vietnam as a pilot.
If true, it still doesn’t explain how he magically got into the National Guard despite a waiting list of 500, and despite the fact that he only scored in the 25th percentile in the pilot aptitude test. He was then approved for an automatic commission as a second lieutenant and assigned to flight school…. a position usually reserved for those with ROTC or air force experience (he had neither). The Texas House Speaker at the time has since testified under oath that he pulled strings to get him in.
“You need to reread what I said above… which was “in general.””
> Your “general” is every GOP person. Is there any Conservative that you like?
I was singling out the few I really have a problem with. Are there any Liberals that you like?
“At least Obama is literate enough to read (and write) books… and speak like a grown-up.”
> A very arrogant one!
Arrogance defines Bush.
“White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier
told Bush aides they wanted a “Mission Accomplished” banner, and the White House agreed to create it. “We took
care of the production of it,” McClellan said. “We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up.””
> We will disagree.
Why would you disagree with a White House press statement coming from the Bush Administration?
“[Iraq] Tens of thousands (possibly even hundreds of thousands) of civilian casualties is a disaster of monumental proportions… by ANY standards.
> I guess what is going on in Iraq today doesn’t count for anything.
Even if things are going as swell as you say they are, the Iraq war took our eye off the ball and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
“A murderous dictator gone is a disaster??
Are you talking about Saddam or Bush here?”
> That shows your bigotry in what I am hoping will be a debate on facts. If you stand by your statement, this segment is closed.
All I’m saying is that I hold Bush accountable for a huge loss of life, both American and foreign.
“Plus you haven’t shown with anything that Obama is either qualified or better qualified than
> Governor Palin. Compare Resume to Resume.
I have eyes and ears, and they tell me that the former has intelligence, substance, and the ability to bring people together both at home and abroad… while the latter is, to be kind, rather clueless and divisive.”
> You haven’t answered my question. Try again without the horse hockey.
Certainly anyone who is serious about evaluating candidates would consider far more than SAT scores and résumés, which can be faked or padded. There are intangibles that you either recognize, or you don’t. Poise, intelligence, vision, knowledge, communication skills, diplomacy, competence, nuance, maturity, and the ability to think on your feet are things that can’t be faked…. and it showed EVERY TIME Bush and Palin opened their mouths. I’ll admit that I lean slightly to the left, but would definitely consider voting Republican if the Democrats nominated an inept candidate for national office. I don’t question the patriotism of Bush or Palin voters, but do have to question their judgment.
“…but the Bushes trashed the country… and beyond.”
> History will disagree with you.
I keep hearing that from you, George and Laura… but not many others.
Again, all I asked for was an opportunity for rebuttal.
> You have ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR and more. What you are back door wanting is a very one sided news set up.
I was referring to a rebuttal to your drive-by attacks.
> Obama’s first 9 days show his extreme inexperience and out right arrogance. Neither are good for the country.
In contrast… Bush showed both for the entire 8 years he was in office.
Best…
Kevin
>I am genuinely sorry for your loss… dying that young for whatever reason is a tragedy. You have ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR and more. What you are back door wanting is a very one sided news set up.
I was referring to a rebuttal to your drive-by attacks.”
You can call Mr. Limbaugh and all of the other talk radio hosts. It is darned tough to get through. But if you are polite, don’t name call, and respectfully debate the issue you call on, you will get lots of air time. These talk show hosts love liberal callers like that. Be prepared to LISTEN to the hosts points. I didn’t say agree. Discuss. Don’t blindly recite talking points. Kevin, you might even enjoy the experience and your fame.
Now I DON’T listen to every moment of Rush. But I hope that one of the times I do listen, I will hear you call in and politely talk to Rush.
The number for Rush is 1-800-282-2882. His show is from Noon to 3PM EST. Good Luck! And if you get through, don’t blow it!
Be all you can be (old Army ad slogan)
Guard SGT (ret)
Sarge….
This is a joke, right?
> You can call Mr. Limbaugh and all of the other talk radio hosts. It is darned tough to get through.
Your final response to a direct rebuttal to YOUR attacks on this board is to refer me to an extreme right-wing radio talk show host?
> But if you are polite, don’t name call, and respectfully debate the issue you call on, you will get lots of air time.
Wow, this is especially rich coming from someone who enters the room shouting and name-calling.
> These talk show hosts love liberal callers like that. Be prepared to LISTEN to the hosts points. I didn’t say agree. Discuss.
You are encouraged to take your own advice here… then perhaps others on this board will take you seriously.
> Don’t blindly recite talking points.
This is how you begin most of your posts.
> Kevin, you might even enjoy the experience and your fame.
Fame is not what I am after… just the opportunity to respond directly to your attacks. But you apparently are just looking for a place to spout off without having to defend what you say.
> Now I DON’T listen to every moment of Rush. But I hope that one of the times I do listen, I will hear you call in and politely talk to Rush.
> The number for Rush is 1-800-282-2882. His show is from Noon to 3PM EST. Good Luck! And if you get through, don’t blow it!
I’m not a left wing extremist, but this akin to someone ending a debate by asking you to have a chat with Keith Olbermann.
> Be all you can be (old Army ad slogan)
When the going gets tough, find someone else to fight your wars (your new slogan).
Best…
Kevin
“This is a joke, right?”
Dead Serious!
“You can call Mr. Limbaugh and all of the other talk radio hosts. It is darned tough to get through.
Your final response to a direct rebuttal to YOUR attacks on this board is to refer me to an extreme right-wing radio talk show host?”
You missed the point, completely! You typed you wanted to rebut what Mr. Limbaugh and talk radio is saying. I am pointing out that you DON’T need government censorship. All you need is a telephone.
“But if you are polite, don’t name call, and respectfully debate the issue you call on, you will get lots of air time.
Wow, this is especially rich coming from someone who enters the room shouting and name-calling.”
Try listening instead of hating!
“These talk show hosts love liberal callers like that. Be prepared to LISTEN to the hosts points. I didn’t say agree. Discuss.
You are encouraged to take your own advice here… then perhaps others on this board will take you seriously.”
The only way you will take me seriously is if I chuck all of my values and first hand knowledge and mindless repeat your fact challenged talking points. That is a deal I won’t take! I think, therefore I am conservative.
> Don’t blindly recite talking points.
This is how you begin most of your posts.
“Kevin, you might even enjoy the experience and your fame.
Fame is not what I am after… just the opportunity to respond directly to your attacks. But you apparently are just looking for a place to spout off without having to defend what you say.”
Kevin, you have slammed EVERY conservative. I know that in liberal speak an attack is just simply not mindlessly agreeing with you. I have defended what I have typed. It is just what I type you don’t like to read.
“I’m not a left wing extremist,”
Dang, you sure have been fooling me!
“…but this akin to someone ending a debate by asking you to have a chat with Keith Olbermann.
Does Olbermann has anything like a call in program? I would enjoy debating him. I only hope Olbermann would be as polite as I would be with him. And when it comes to facts, Olbermann comes unarmed!
“When the going gets tough, find someone else to fight your wars (your new slogan).”
Again, you missed the entire point. You have slammed Rush again and again. You seem to want Rush censored. You claim you want equal time.
Well, I was politely and coaching you on how to talk to Rush. I was showing you that YOU can be your own balance to Rush. But you want someone else to fight your fight with Rush. You want Government to fight your fight.
I have served 21 years so that you have this freedom. Yet you want to throw it away by letting Government do what you should do.
Ask not what Government can do for you. Instead call Rush and go head to head with the man!
Guard SGT (ret)
Dear Sarge,
First of all, let me just point out what EXCELLENT advice you dispense:
* Be polite.
* Don’t name call.
* Respectfully debate the issue.
* Be prepared to LISTEN / Try listening instead of hating
* Don’t blindly recite talking points.
* Discuss.
What I’m wondering, though, is why this advice seems to apply to everyone but you? Take a good hard look in the mirror, Sarge, because you don’t do ANY of those things yourself.
Your final response to a direct rebuttal to YOUR attacks on this board is to refer me to an extreme right-wing radio talk show host?
> You missed the point, completely! You typed you wanted to rebut what Mr. Limbaugh and talk radio is saying.
> I am pointing out that you DON’T need government censorship. All you need is a telephone.
I’ve been trying to have a debate on issues with YOU, the person who brought them up… not Rush Limbaugh.
> I think, therefore I am conservative.
Priceless.
“I’m not a left wing extremist,”
> Dang, you sure have been fooling me!
Fooling you doesn’t seem very hard to do, frankly. Other than disagreeing with the platforms of a half-dozen right-wing extremists, please cite a SINGLE extreme idea that I have introduced to this board.
> I only hope Olbermann would be as polite as I would be with him.
Oh yeah… “Polite” is your middle name, Sarge.
> And when it comes to facts, Olbermann comes unarmed!
In that case you would enter your debate on equal grounds.
Sarge, you are a neighborhood bully pure and simple. You come around here looking for a fight, but anytime someone tries to hold your feet to the fire or gives you a much deserved taste of your own medicine, you cry foul.
If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Best…
Kevin