The Big Picture has some really good pictures from the inauguration yesterday.
The First Family – I wonder why second daughter Sasha is standing on a block?
All the spectators look like ants.
Former President George W. Bush leaves in Marine One as President Obama and the Biden’s wave from the steps of the Capitol.
Bush’s view from Marine One as he leaves the Capitol.
More outstanding pictures here
To answer the question….”because she’s SHORT.”
REALLY glad I don’t live in that area anymore… I can only imagine the traffic nightmare.
The shot of Bush leaving from Marine One is actually really poignant, though.
dimndgal1,
I don’t like the man at all but you’re right.
It must be a weird feeling to know you’ve gone from being president to unemployed in the space of one helicopter ride.
It must be a weird feeling, after presiding over the smoothest and most cordial transition in US history, to hear all the talk about love and people coming together and staying classy, and look out the window and see that beautiful crowd, those proud classy people throwing shoes, flipping the bird and screaming potty-words at you.
Stay classy, libs.
DJ,well said…..power to the people, right arm.
What a sad day for America. We went from a President that defended us pretty well to the poster guy for the Peter Principle 3 times over!
Obama is getting off to a good start screwing things up by stopping the tribunals and wanting to close gitmo. Maybe Obama will have the detainees come up and stay at 1600 Pennsy with him.
Guard SGT (ret)
A friend of mine was there among a sea of middle fingers aimed at the helicopter. I wish I knew he was able to see each and every middle finger from the air.
“Defended us pretty well.” — Priceless.
I don’t think that would be Marine One carrying former Pres. Bush. Only when Pres. Obama is on board would it be Marine One.
Sasha is probably standing on the block so the crowd could see her behind the railing. Or, she’s standing on the shoulders of her little known physically challenged brother, Block Obama.
anybody on here think that pic from above looks like a bunch of giant ants taking over,or something from a video game,and its still Marine One
It was called Executive One at this moment.
Sorry Jonco I missed your comment about ants,hey Im blonde,Scott I quess that does make sense
Marine One is the planes name itself. Always Marine one – from sqdrn HMX-1 out of Quantico.
Oorah 🙂
Well said DJ.
I was wondering that about Gitmo last night SGT, where are they moving it?!
The helicopter’s air traffic control call sign would be a word and tail number when flown without the President aboard.
Well said DJ. It just shows all the hate and partisanship of the extreme left. It is edging closer to the hate of those we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. And those the Israelis just fought in Gaza.
If Obama does unite this nation, it will be to not like, trust, and afford his huge spending.
Guard SGT (ret)
>It just shows all the hate and partisanship of the extreme left.
>It is edging closer to the hate of those we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
>And those the Israelis just fought in Gaza.
You must be thinking of the McCain-Palin rallies.
Kevin – Good example…The left’s hatred for her was psychotic. They actually started to lose touch with reality over her.
Hey Kevin:
You pointed out the extreme hate of the left. They are still trying to destroy Governor Palin. They just can’t stop hating her.
And you know what is sad. Governor Palin was the most experienced executive on either ticket. Obama was by far the least experienced. And it will show more and more. Today he was caught signing executive orders that he hadn’t seen before. Sounding like Col. Hogan having Col Klink sign blank sheets of paper.
I would love to see Governor Palin run for President in 2012 with Ann Coulter as her VP! That would give the extreme left the Mother of all hissy fits! Those two ladies have more common sense than Obama’s whole cabinet combined!!!
Guard SGT (ret)
Palin, experienced? what a joke!!
that’s why McCain lost, because of her inexperienced.
and McCain trying to cash in on Clinton’s popularity..that worked out well!
Dear Guard SGT,
Are you (a person who wore his hatred on his sleeve for a president that had yet to take office), the shining example of moderation, tolerance and unity we should all aspire to?
You crack me up, dude.
Best…
Kevin
Joe:
Now answer this question.
What executive experience does Obama have?
Today, Obama is proving you very wrong. And I am sure tomorrow he will prove you wrong again and again.
To be honest Governor Palin has more executive experience than Senator McCain. Senator McCain lost because he ran an I don’t want to win campaign. The only thing he did right was naming Governor Palin as VP.
Three years from now Governor Palin will be looking very good to a great many, maybe even you.
Obama will be one screw up after another. Just watch. He actions are so out of sync with America. Every time Obama does something more and more will be turned off by his extremism.
Guard SGT (ret)
Kevin, now why should I be at all tolerant of an incompetent and unconstitutional qualified person? That would be totally stupid!
I have spent 21 years defending this nation and Constitution. That means I was willing to die for this nation. I will bet that you have never wore any uniform. I’ll bet you feel that serving in the military is beneath you.
I can only pray this Nation and Constitution can survive this extreme radical!
Guard SGT (ret)
there is plenty unconstitutional your little bush is responsible for, like the invasion of Iraq – and yet you support him, and would die for him…maybe you need to re-evaluate your principles…assuming you have any.
the president is following and implementing the law by not torturing people.
for the record, I served in the military, in the grate state of Alaska none the less.
Guard SGT – You seem a very serious man. I picture you with very short hair and a stern mouth. Tell me something (non political) that you do for fun. What makes you smile?
Dear Guard SGT,
> Kevin, now why should I be at all tolerant of an incompetent and unconstitutional qualified person?
The world has never seen a more obvious example of incompetence than George W. Bush. Eight years in office and he still has no idea how to pronounce the word “nuclear,” which is enough to give anyone of intelligence great pause. I hope you have the opportunity to view videotape of him speaking in public someday (there is plenty of it available). Maybe then you will finally come to realize just how appallingly uninformed, arrogant, out of touch, reckless, smug, inarticulate, uncultured and utterly unqualified to be president he really was.
> That would be totally stupid!
You make my point for me.
> I have spent 21 years defending this nation and Constitution.
Only to see it shredded and torched by the corrupt Bush Administration.
> That means I was willing to die for this nation.
I’m sure that even you must be aware of the fact that the same cannot be said of George W. Bush.
> I will bet that you have never wore any uniform.
That is true… something I have in common with nearly everyone in the chickenhawk Bush administration.
> I’ll bet you feel that serving in the military is beneath you.
You obviously know little about me.
> I can only pray this Nation and Constitution can survive this extreme radical!
It survived the one who just left office… I’m fairly certain it can survive one more.
Best…
Kevin
P.S….
“When I was young and irresponsible, I was really young and irresponsible.”
— George W. Bush
“Drinking and carousing and fumbling around.”
— George W. Bush when asked how he spent much of his time after graduation [Weekly Standard, 2/10/97]
“It was either Canada or the service… Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots.”
— George W. Bush
“Do not volunteer for overseas service.”
— Box checked by Bush when he signed up for the National Guard
“I can’t remember what I did.”
— George W. Bush, when asked what he did while stationed in Alabama
“You know I could run for governor but I’m basically a media creation. I’ve never done anything. I’ve worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that’s not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office.”
— George W. Bush [1989]
“After 1968? No.”
— George W. Bush, when asked by the Dallas Morning Newspaper whether he had ever been arrested [November, 2000]
(To see his actual 1976 DUI report, go to http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ and do a search for “George W. Bush arrest”)
“I glance at the headlines just to get the kind of flavor for what’s moving, but I rarely read the stories. I get briefed by people who have probably read the news themselves. The best way to get the news is from objective sources. And the most objective sources I have are people on my staff who tell me what’s happening in the world.”
— George W. Bush, to Fox News reporter Brit Hume
To Bitscared:
On some things, yes I am a serious person. And yes on the short hair! Dah, I just left the Guard and my last drill was on the 11th. In 11 days it ain’t grown that much! But now I will let it grow a bit more. And I am 6′ 4″ tall. That made me the tallest Soldier in my Company and my old Battalion. And gave me pause as that also made me the tallest target when I was in Iraq!
I do have a fun side. I like model railroading. I belong to a club and have fun both working on stuff and running trains. I build plastic models of mostly planes and ships. I also belong to a model club and have won many awards for models. I enjoy reading. I really like Dale Brown books and history.
And a passionate side. I know you didn’t ask about that. My first drill back from Iraq, I made a lady SGT that had joined the Company while I was away. As I say, the Guard even issued me a girl friend. You can’t beat that as a welcome home present! She is the best thing to happen to me. And added a whole new dimension to going to drill. I got to take my love and get paid! The recruiter though never said anything about that! I doubt I would have believed him if he had!
Now to Joe:
You must remember that Saddam was in complete violation of 12+ U.N. Resolutions when we went into Iraq 2003. Many of those resolutions gave us the right to go into Iraq to end the abuses. Or are you going to say that those resolutions were meaningless???
You complain about torture. Iraq under Saddam was full of torture. The worst was Saddam’s two sons. The loved to torture. The even tortured Iraqi Olympic Athletes for not winning. So I guess Saddam’s torture was OK with you???
We did nothing compared to what Saddam’s goons did to people. The pictures from Abu Ghraib were basically abuse and not torture. Only one showed anything that could remotely be called torture.
Now answer this question for me. You say you are against torture. We just captured an Al Qaeda terrorist that planted a WMD of some unknown type very near you. You and your family wouldn’t have time to leave. If this WMD goes off, your whole family and tens of thousands more will die.
Here is the question? Would you say he should be tortured if needed to get the info to save all these lives?
We captured a senior Al Qaeda terrorist on the battlefield. He knows the plans for the next three months. He knows quite a few other senior people and their locations. The sooner we get the intel, the more military lives we can save. He won’t give anything willingly. How far should we go to save lives?
I knew as a military person in Iraq, if captured, I wasn’t coming back alive. They have ZERO respect for POWs in any way. Sadly, if you or your family were captured, the same applies. They make NO distinction between Military and Civilian Americans. To them we are all targets. And it is their sworn duty to kill us. It makes ZERO difference as to how we treat their POWs. They are out to kill of of us they can.
We are still one of the few Nations that tries to balance POW rights and humane treatment with a need to get vital timely intel.
Guard SGT (ret)
We captured a senior Al Qaeda terrorist on the battlefield. He knows the plans for the next three months.
Not if he’s smart. You woulodn’t give that sort of information out to anyon in the field, and you wouldn’t go out there with that info.
He knows quite a few other senior people and their locations.
That’s just silly. These people work in very small units called “cells” that operate without any knowlwdge of who is doing what anywhere else. This is the very nature of a terrorist network that makes it very hard to beat. It’s very small. It’s very compact.
The sooner we get the intel, the more military lives we can save.
To get the inforamtion you have to know what questions to ask, so therefore you’d have to know who you had in order to know what they had.
Ha ha Unless, of course, like someone we know, you just assume anyone you catch might know something and therefore you torture him.
If he doesn’t talk, you still aren’t sure, are you?
In that case, unless you kill that person, and everyone else you torture by mistake, you gain an enemy that really isn’t looking to be captured again.
How far should we go to save lives?
We are a people guided by the rule of law, regardless of whether or not we fight someone who is, or isn’t. When we go down to their level they have already destroyed us, have they not?
The Constitution of the United States of America has defended us against all enemies, foreign and domestic for well over two hundred years, and now, because George W Bush is President, you’re going to fucking sit there and tell me it is too damn weak to do the job anymore?
I say you are wrong. And if you believe you can protect this great nation by trashing the Constitution of the United States of America in the name of simple expediency then you are no American.
I never thought about being tall in a war zone! It is easy to forget that being big and burly doesn’t help when you are wanting stealth. I’m glad you made it home ok!!
You must look a bit out of proportion when your with your trains, lol! Do you ever pretend your a giant and roar at the little people? I would!!
Guard SGT, I respect you for your duty and for answering that question with honesty and sincerity. I didn’t think that you would reply. I wish you all the best in your retirement. That doesn’t mean to say that we won’t disagree once in a while though but I think you’re tough enough to handle any BS that I may dish out. I’m so proud that you all got that rotten b@st@rd Saddam, and his cronies and the world will be a better place. Maybe Osama next??
To Bitscared:
Well, burly I ain’t. I am on the thin side. The bullet proof vest I wore worked best when I faced the fire squarely. Turning sideways to be a thinner target took the plates out of play. Ya just can’t win! Fortunately, I never had to find out how well the vest would work. I never had to fire a round in anger. I was though one of the best shots in the Company even with my near coke bottle glasses! When I was in convoy, I always rode “shot-gun” with my rifle out the window looking. Thankfully, I never saw what I was always looking for.
My trains are HO Scale. That is 1/87 of the real ones. The fun for me is operating a train engine as close as you would if it was real. That is a challenge. I used to be an engineer on a tourist railroad. I ran the engines on passenger, dinner, and freight runs. I was also qualified to be the conductor, the boss of the train. I have had as many as 200 people on a train at one time. All of my thousands of passengers got back to the depot safely.
A very long time ago I probably did play monster with my trains. But not now. I like the challenge of working with small stuff and making the operation look and feel real. I like that much more.
For Bella:
Thanks for your respect of my duty and being open and honest. That is all I have on this or any board. It takes time for the regulars on a board to figure out if a new person is what they claim or just blowing smoke. I just am what I am. I can only be just that.
I am not going to type anything I am even pretty certain ain’t true. I have been told I am pretty smart. But I do my best to ignore that. I just try to type it as it is.
When it comes to politics, this nation has never been so divided. What is at times more than a bit frustrating is readers don’t accept especially my first hand knowledge of Iraq. I was there for 9 months. I was from Kuwait to Mosul and back. I did get to meet some Iraqis. Those I did seemed to be nice people just trying to make a living. They never did anything to harm me.
But a great many people that haven’t been to Iraq try to tell me that what I did and saw never happened. That can make me mad. And although rare, I do have a temper. Like the old Popeye cartoon, I will only take so much. I did let a couple of Staff Sergeants in Iraq have it with a verbal whooping. And I didn’t get in any trouble. They had repeated done something stupid and I told them so. In a rare, loud burst of profanity, they got an earful. And they changed right there! They never even thought of reporting me. They both knew they would get it again from the Platoon SGT and First SGT. I have learned how to know when I have a “golden moment”! One still e-mails me!
Oh Bella, one thing you should know about Guard and Reserve retirements in the military. We don’t get the money immediately. We get nothing until age 60. The active forces get theirs as soon as they retire. It wasn’t until 1947 that the Guard even got a retirement pay. That was the way it was for 300+ years.
I used to post on another Bit & Pieces Board. The moderator and most of the posters were far, far lefties. They hated anyone that posted anything that told the truth about the corrupt left. So they are probably still drunk on Obama’s kool-aide. I wish them a long and painful hangover once they figure out how much they have been screwed!
This is a much, much better group!
Guard SGT
Dear Mike:
You seem to have poor info on how terrorism works.
Yes they operate in small cells. While the cells don’t have much if any intel on other groups. The senior leaders must have knowledge these cells and have long range plans for these cells.
Let me put this another way. maybe then you will see what I mean. The Army has tens of thousands of Squads. Think of that as a cell. How effective would the Army be if that was all there was? There must be leadership in control of these cells. These are not “ad-hock” groups. They receive orders on what to do and not to do.
You want the senior people alive. That way you can get this intel. And you don’t use hard torture. We will agree that that rarely works. It is just an excuse to inflict severe pain for the pleasure of doing it.
Skillful use of enhanced interrogation can produce very good intel. You rarely inflict pain. You rarely leave a mark. Understand this, please, what is used is also used on our own elite forces to prepare them in ways to resist torture. That is a fact many ignore.
Your reply to my how far should you go is most confusing. But I will try.
The battlefield isn’t a court of law. It is a bare knuckle no holds barred fight. We had rules to follow as best as we could. The enemy is just bent on killing as many of us as possible and to hell with the civilians.
You have to understand that there are times you will shoot civilians to get at a bad guy that is a severe threat to you and your fellow soldiers. That is hard. It is a tough call. You do the best you can to hit as few as possible. Sometimes you might even pass on the shot as too risky. The enemy thinks nothing about putting innocents at risk. That is their “armor”. And it is sick!
We have rules, they don’t other than kill.
My fear with Obama is something he said. He doesn’t view the Constitution as a document that protects citizens from an all powerful central government by giving the citizens right over the government. He sees the Constitution as an impediment to a powerful central Government. And that scares me.
What also scares me is why Obama won’t show his real birth certificate or college entrance records. What is in them that this “open” administration can’t tell us about.
And look at all the corrupt people in his cabinet. It looks more and more like the FBI’s ten most wanted!
Now turn this around. If Republicans had these same ethics issues and were nominated for President Bush’s cabinet, I’ll bet you would be screaming!
Democrats are the culture of corruption. They just don’t have ethical standard to be held to!
Guard SGT
Clearly you have litle or no real military background, no real understanding of history, and you’ve allowed your ability to think to become polluted with the idea we’re dealing with some sort of binary political system.
If we were fighting an army, with a chain of command much liek we use then EPW would be valuble sources of information. Because they are not built around a central chain of command, each individual cannot relate to us any information about the structure which does not exist!
Furthermore, I’m not talking about politics, and you cannot divorce your thinking away from it. Clearly you seem to think there is some sort of real differnce between the two American political parties, and I doubt there is very much at all. You continuing obsession with labeling anyone who disagrees with you as a leftist blinds you to any chance to real learning from your mistakes, and you aren’t capable or independtant thought because of this.
we, The United States Of America, are the good guys. We are the people who others aspire to be. We hold the standard of civilization.
We cannot defeat anyone by becoming as bad as they are.
This isn’t about politics. THis transcends that issue.
Either you are able to disconnect from that or you are not.
Clearly, sitting around listening to talk radio all day has pretty much disabled your mind.
Mike, you are wrong on so many counts.
If what you say about terrorist cells was true, then Bin Laden would be of ZERO value. Terrorist cells do have a chain of command and a supply chain. Without those two, they would be a mob with no ability to operate.
I have served for 21 years in the military. I have served in both the Active Air Force and the Army National Guard AND I have served in Iraq. My service started during the Vietnam War and ended less than 2 weeks ago. I had a 16 year break between the Air Force and Guard. I have served in Iraq.
My conservatism (which isn’t where the GOP is at the moment) came about long before Mr. Limbaugh and talk radio. It came through the school of hard knocks seeing what works and what fails.
I see you think that conservatism didn’t exist before the talk radio era. And you think that people become conservative only after they are brainwashed by talk radio. That isn’t true. Most that listen to talk radio do so because talk radio is saying what they have already learned to be true. And there are a few that listen and change their views because they find that the myths liberalism is trumped by facts of conservatism. It is a simple truth of what works and what fails.
There is a huge difference between the extreme left of Obama and conservatism.
I do have a college degree with a GPA of 3.94.
I have never said we are to be as bad as the enemy. We are not. We have not used the tactics of Nazi Germany or Communism or even Al Qaeda to handle those we disagree with. We are winning in Iraq because the people of Iraq saw how both sides deal with people. The Iraqi got fed up with the terror tactics of Al Qaeda and turned on them.
Torture has become way too broad of a brush in my view. To the left any treatment that is less than that of a five star hotel is torture. That is wrong. Torture is the inflicting of pain for the enjoyment of those inflicting the pain. Torture is for the purpose of controlling people through fear to control them.
The enhanced interrogation is for the purpose of gaining intel. It does work. It is one part of the puzzle that has kept Al Qeada from doing another 9-11 here. It has also saved Soldiers lives in Iraq and Afghanistan by getting the intel to allow us to attack them BEFORE they can attack us. It is far from the only thing, but now we have one less tool to keep us safe.
Lastly, I have read far more on history than most history majors. My library is over a thousand books. I have done this without the political pressure of trying to please an instructor. I read history to learn what has really happened. Not the spin of the left!
Guard SGT (ret)
Dear Guard SGT,
Did you miss my last post?
Either that or you’re ignoring it… and I’m pretty sure that’s not the case.
Best…
Kevin
There is nothing the Obama administration will do to satisfy people like Guard.
These radicals are on their knees praying that he fails only to say “I told you so” – even if it means the demise of USA.
And some will do whatever it takes to see it happens.
But the worst part is, they claim to love America!
Unclench your fists…
JOE ——WELL SAID.
Everyone else — (read: guard and klaw): Nov 4th and Jan 20th happened; its done; move on.
Kevin I am going to respond to your political BS that so glorifies those with BDS.
Kevin just because you can pronounce a certain word, doesn’t make you smart or stupid. I wonder how many Obama trips over. Off of his teleprompter, he is not a good public speaker. He is not a grade “A” speech writer either.
Your view and my view of what is defending and shredding of the Constitution greatly differ. I have put my life on the line to defend and so has Former President Bush. Neither you or Obama has worn a uniform. Being in the military isn’t something most liberals do. Think about that!
Conservatism is about a limited federal government. Liberalism in the extreme (and that is Obama) is about unlimited Federal Government. Now who is the biggest threat to the Constitution that defines a limited Federal Government.
Your chicken hawk slam is just more BDS from you. Am I a chicken hawk too?
The only vets that get any attention from liberals are ones that are homeless. We agree they should be helped. So don’t go there. But what about the rest. You don’t even want to count the votes of our military serving abroad! We that have served get only lip service from your side. The more accurate view was expressed by the dishonorable treat of our military during Vietnam. A view that Murtha still lovingly clings to as he calls Marines every foul thing in the book. Amazing from a former Marine!
And your great Obama has already shown that he doesn’t have much use for the military or vets except when he needs them as a prop at a photo op.
You have chosen to over look all off the little away from the press stuff both Bush and Cheney did for and with the vets and military. Bush has written to the families of every service member killed overseas. He has met with many of the families in the White House. Cheney hosted a golf outing for wounded vets. This was closed to the press. The local press only learned of this 3 days later and were they pissed! And who knows how many other little things they have done off camera and well away from the press. And you wonder why we supported McCain!
Lastly I see you are mad that Bush didn’t get his news from the highly slanted dying media. I too have turned off that media because of their out right lies. They are today little better than a party rag.
To prove my point. Look at how the press dug deep into the past of Governor Palin. Now look at how they cover everything up about Obama! See, President Bush was for more correct than you will ever get!
So now Kevin, do you wish I had continued to “ignore” you? Shall I get out my super glue to help put you back together?
Guard SGT (ret)
Joe, you are so very wrong.
I only wish Obama would say, “I am not Constitutionally qualified. I cheated every way possible to avoid campaign finance laws and voting laws. For that Biden and myself will leave public life in complete disgrace. I call upon the US House and Senate to select by fully Constitutional means the next and real 44th President and the next Vice President.”
But alas such honesty will never come from the extreme left.
It is the conservatives that love the freedom and opportunity that is America.
The liberal left is the party of death to innocent unborn and the use of federal money to continue the slaughter. That was one of Obama’s first acts.
And to free those that most hate America at Gitmo.
He is pushing for the “Mother of all Pork Barrel” bill that will do very little to fix the problems in the economy. But it is good politics for liberals to stay employed in government so they don’t feel our pain.
The little people trying to make a living are ignored by Obama.
Guard SGT (ret)
To LOL:
I will not move on. Obama has questions to answer.
By your logic, if someone robs a bank and gets away with the money, the police and FBI should just move on and get over it???
There is a strong reason to suspect that the Constitution has been violated. And you want the rest of us to just move on??? It ain’t happening here.
Obama is stonewalling on the issue. Why??? He could very easily release the documents in question and settle this. But he won’t. WHY???
So much for being open and honest. And this is only the beginning of a most dishonest and secretive administration!
Guard SGT (ret)
WHAT I’VE LEARNED FROM GUARD SGT:
* He believes hate and partisanship come only from the left.
* He believes it is possible to suggest that a right-wing nut-job like Ann Coulter would be a viable candidate for vice-president and still be taken seriously.
* He believes that the only thing McCain did right was choosing Sarah Palin to be his running mate.
* He believes Obama is guilty of extremism, but Bush isn’t.
* He believes that ignoring the UN to bomb Iraq for ignoring the UN is okay.
* He believes torture is okay, as long as it is not as severe as Saddam Hussein’s torture.
* He believes that his military service makes him as much of an expert on national affairs as Joe the Plumber.
* He doesn’t make claims unless he is “pretty certain” they are true.
* He realizes that the nation has never been more divided, but doesn’t seem to understand that it wasn’t that way at all until the most divisive president in history took office in 2001.
* He believes that name-calling is okay as long as he is the one doing it.
* He believes that Obama is incompetent, and that Bush isn’t a complete tool.
* He believes Obama’s cabinet is corrupt, but the Bush Administration wasn’t.
* He believes only Democrats are corrupt.
* He is proud to have served under a chickenhawk like Bush… someone who looked for the easiest way out of serving his country during the Vietnam war.
* He believes Bush is a class act.
* He believes there is a huge difference between the extreme left of Obama and conservatism, but sees none between the extreme right of Bush and liberalism.
* He hears only what he wants to hear.
* His reporting is every bit as “fair and balanced” as Fox News (i.e.: not at all).
Guard — so much hatred.
Your logic was like comparing apples to oranges. Millions of people voted to elect a president. by your logic, those millions were the bank robbers.
And where do you get off comparing yourself and your likeminded cohorts to the FBI? LOL
Du, listen to yourself, “the little people”, “illegal gov”
your little Busch did nothing but papered the rich and gave the middle finger to everyone else.
Tax cuts the the rich and big corporates which took that monies and invested in foreign counties, taking American jobs overseas. lets not even mentioned Wallthieves…
You want to take down the current administration and replace it with one of your choosing – well, its not going to happen!!
thousands of American lost their homes and their jobs and your little Bush did nothing for them…big corporates stole billions and he rewarded them with more billions…talk about corruption and unconstitutional!!
correction “pampered the rich”
WHAT I’VE LEARNED FROM GUARD SGT:
* He believes hate and partisanship come only from the left.
That is true!! Just look at how Governor Palin, President Bush (both), Reagan, Vice President Cheney, Quayle, Speaker Gingrich and even “Joe the Plumber”! The facts shoot you down here.
* He believes it is possible to suggest that a right-wing nut-job like Ann Coulter would be a viable candidate for vice-president and still be taken seriously.
Have you ever listened to her? Or even read any of her many books? Or are you just going by what others have told you?
* He believes that the only thing McCain did right was choosing Sarah Palin to be his running mate.
That about sums it up.
* He believes Obama is guilty of extremism, but Bush isn’t.
Even you will someday agree.
* He believes that ignoring the UN to bomb Iraq for ignoring the UN is okay.
I see you back the UN when it supports you and screw it when it don’t. So can I conclude that you backed Saddam in ignoring the many resolutions?
* He believes torture is okay, as long as it is not as severe as Saddam Hussein’s torture.
In a very few cases yes. But I don’t support Obama in limiting options.
* He believes that his military service makes him as much of an expert on national affairs as Joe the Plumber.
There you go proving my case of the hate of the left!!! Joe got in trouble for daring to question Obama. Joe is over in the war zone as a reporter. That is just more for you to hate now ain’t it. I am just telling you what I have learned in the military. That is stuff you ain’t ever learned or it seems want to hear about.
* He doesn’t make claims unless he is “pretty certain” they are true.
I have read much from you that ain’t true. I think I have a higher standard.
* He realizes that the nation has never been more divided, but doesn’t seem to understand that it wasn’t that way at all until the most divisive president in history took office in 2001.
I guess your history started in 2001. There was great division since LBJ. I am pretty sure that was before 2001!
* He believes that name-calling is okay as long as he is the one doing it.
Hey you do it all of the time. Look at your typing on Ann Coulter, Joe, and President Bush. I guess only you should be allowed to do it.
* He believes that Obama is incompetent, and that Bush isn’t a complete tool.
Obama is the “Peter Principle’ to the extreme! He has never been a leader. He has never been in business either as a success or failure. And there you go again name calling with President Bush!
* He believes Obama’s cabinet is corrupt, but the Bush Administration wasn’t.
Just look at who he has and their legal and ethics problems.
* He believes only Democrats are corrupt.
NO! But it sure seems to be a resume plus for the democrats.
* He is proud to have served under a chickenhawk like Bush… someone who looked for the easiest way out of serving his country during the Vietnam war.
There you go again with the name calling! Damn right I am proud to have served under President Bush!! Easiest way out for George, you have not a clue now do you! I see you have no clue as to the training the one must go through to be an Air Force fighter pilot. And flying an F-102 is NOT easy. It had many coffin corners. So again the facts shoot you down!
* He believes Bush is a class act.
The is correct. You will come to agree with me.
* He believes there is a huge difference between the extreme left of Obama and conservatism, but sees none between the extreme right of Bush and liberalism.
President Bush wasn’t extreme right. He is center right.
* He hears only what he wants to hear.
I hear and read much. I then sort out the facts from the spin of both sides. I doubt that you can say that.
That seems to be a great description of you!
* His reporting is every bit as “fair and balanced” as Fox News (i.e.: not at all).
And you must believe the urban myth that ABCCBSNBCCNN are fair and balanced.
Ready for the super glue to put you back together?
Guard SGT (ret)
A village in Texas can finally have their idiot back. Good riddance
Dear bob.bolin:
I hate to tell you this, but President Bush is NO idiot! Do you think you could pass everything that is required to be an Air National Guard F-102 pilot? And remember President Bush has a higher GPA from college than did Senator Kerry. So are you going to be fair and call Kerry an even bigger idiot? I doubt it.
But Chicago can have it’s corrupt gangster back anytime! He is in way over his head!
Guard SGT (ret)
Dear LOL:
I do understand logic. I was a computer repairman in the Air Force and have a degree in Computer Programing.
My logic isn’t flawed. It is dead on. Obama hasn’t been truthful and open about is most questionable citizenship. If I am right, he is not Constitutionally qualified to be President. Do you feel the Constitution shouldn’t apply? I don’t care if all but me voted for Obama, if he ain’t legal under the Constitution he shouldn’t be President. So join with me and demand that Obama live up to his promises and be open and honest on this. The Constitution should trump politics. Or do you feel that the reverse should be true??
Hey, I supported the FBI in Iraq. No kidding! And they supported my team with water (Cute story) and provided some super phone support.
Now on to Joe:
I see you have no clue about our outdated income tax system. Did you know that the “evil” rich pay most of the income taxes? I wonder. They now pay the highest percentage of income tax even with President Bush’s tax cut! Facts are Amazing!
Jobs going overseas are a huge part a “We the People” fault. If we the consumers didn’t buy overseas products they wouldn’t be sold here. I wonder how much you own is made overseas?? How much of your stuff is made in China?? Your answer will be most interesting.
A bunch of the current housing problem rests with the Democrats. They passed laws that required banks to make bad loans. They blocked any reform of Fannie and Freddie. President Bush repeatedly asked for needed reforms, but didn’t get it.
So Joe, I look at Democrats that are still in Congress with serious crimes and ethical problems. And these are “highly respected” leaders. Not to me! You can have the whole smelly lot! Just promise me you’ll get them out of DC!
Guard SGT (ret)
As we all know, with a few exceptions, tax is based on taxable income – not wealth. Rich people have large deductions that significantly reduces the amount of tax they must pay on top of tax-cuts. Most, if not all, of non-rich people income is taxable and therefore pay more by contrast.
I wonder where you get your facts?
People buy imported products because American’s products quality has declined over the years. You buy an American car and it falls apart when you drive it off the lot.
Again, greed is the only thing driving this big corps and your little bush made it a hole lot easier for them.
Your observations are one-sided therefore you feel the republican do no evil – all indicative of narrow minded people who refuse to see the truth.
Take a closer look, Im sure you’ll find plenty of ethical problems on your side.
Dear Sarge,
> Kevin just because you can pronounce a certain word, doesn’t make you smart or stupid.
After 8 years of mispronouncing the same word, I think it does.
> I wonder how many Obama trips over.
If you think the score would be close, you haven’t been paying attention.
> Off of his teleprompter, he is not a good public speaker.
On or off, he is light years ahead of W.
> He is not a grade “A” speech writer either.
I didn’t say that he was a grade “A” anything. But…. Bush is??? Seriously?
> Your view and my view of what is defending and shredding of the Constitution greatly differ. I have put my
>life on the line to defend and so has Former President Bush.
Please cite a single example of Bush putting his life on the line to defend anything.
> Neither you or Obama has worn a uniform.
Neither have most members of the Bush Administration, with the notable exception of Colin Powell. And let’s see…. who did he endorse in the last election?
> Conservatism is about a limited federal government. Liberalism in the extreme (and that is Obama) is about unlimited
> Federal Government. Now who is the biggest threat to the Constitution that defines a limited Federal Government.
I’m afraid recent history shows that it has been the Republicans who have been running up the deficit… going back as far as the 70’s anyway.
> Your chicken hawk slam is just more BDS from you.
It’s a well-documented fact that Bush did his everything he could to avoid putting his life on the line.
> Am I a chicken hawk too?
Not if I am to believe the claims you have made about yourself on this page.
> You don’t even want to count the votes of our military serving abroad!
I don’t??? I did not know that.
> And your great Obama has already shown that he doesn’t have much use for the military or vets except
> when he needs them as a prop at a photo op.
If you take another look through my posts, you will discover that I have made no great claims about Obama, or Democrats, or liberals…. and no disparaging remarks about Republicans or conservatives in general.
> Cheney hosted a golf outing for wounded vets. This was closed to the press. The local press only learned of
> this 3 days later and were they pissed! And who knows how many other little things they have done off camera
> and well away from the press. And you wonder why we supported McCain!
Because he put Sarah Palin on the ticket?
* He believes hate and partisanship come only from the left.
>That is true!!
I thought you said you had read Ann Coulter… but maybe I am mistaken. And she is hardly the only one on the right spewing hate.
* He believes it is possible to suggest that a right-wing nut-job like Ann Coulter would be a viable
candidate for vice-president and still be taken seriously.
> Have you ever listened to her?
I certainly have… and she is right there on the outer fringes of the extreme right, along with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.
* He believes that the only thing McCain did right was choosing Sarah Palin to be his running mate.
> That about sums it up.
So she IS the only reason McCain got your vote.
* He believes Obama is guilty of extremism, but Bush isn’t.
> Even you will someday agree.
Well, I guess that would make you are a fortune teller… something the Bush Administration was not.
Absolutely EVERYTHING they predicted regarding the Iraq war turned out to be wrong.
* He doesn’t make claims unless he is “pretty certain” they are true.
> I have read much from you that ain’t true.
Please feel free to cite examples.
* He realizes that the nation has never been more divided, but doesn’t seem to understand that
it wasn’t that way at all until the most divisive president in history took office in 2001.
> I guess your history started in 2001. There was great division since LBJ. I am pretty sure that was before 2001!
Before Bush took office, I didn’t know where most people stood politically… and now I do. That is the difference.
* He believes that name-calling is okay as long as he is the one doing it.
> Hey you do it all of the time. Look at your typing on Ann Coulter, Joe, and President Bush.
> I guess only you should be allowed to do it.
You’re free to call ’em like you see ’em, why shouldn’t I?
* He believes that Obama is incompetent, and that Bush isn’t a complete tool.
> Obama is the “Peter Principle’ to the extreme! He has never been a leader. He has never been in
> business either as a success or failure. And there you go again name calling with President Bush!
Bush probably would have carved out a nice little career in fast food mismanagement if he had been born into an average American family, instead of into money and connections. Obama on the other hand, worked his way to the top.
* He believes Bush is a class act.
> The is correct. You will come to agree with me.
I have watched him on a daily basis for eight years, and every day he confirms the suspicions I had about him before he took office.
* He believes there is a huge difference between the extreme left of Obama and conservatism, but sees none between the extreme right of Bush and liberalism.
> President Bush wasn’t extreme right. He is center right.
Is that about where you’d put Ann Coulter too? Just wondering.
* He hears only what he wants to hear.
> I hear and read much. I then sort out the facts from the spin of both sides. I doubt that you can say that.
> That seems to be a great description of you!
Again, I have made no disparaging remarks about any Party or affiliation… just the sorry excuse for a president that just left office.
Joe:
My data is from the IRS. Am I to get that you don’t trust that??
The rich do pay the lions share now! That is beyond debate.
They have many sources of income that are taxed beyond income that is reported. Interest, dividends, capital gains are all taxable income to name a few.
It is the creation of wealth that keeps our economy going. That includes owning homes, rental property, and business. Bill Gates didn’t get rich by writing computer software that nobody wanted. And it wasn’t only Mr. Gates that made money. Many that started with him and invested with him made lots of money. When I got out of the Air Force I had $30,000+ saved. Dang it, I wish I had spent it all on Microsoft stock. I would be a multi-millionaire today.
There is an adage in conservatism that you will never get hired for a job by a poor person. It is darned close to the mark.
If it was up to me, I would repeal Amendment XVI (income tax). I would replace it with the fair tax. Have you ever heard of that? If so, what are your views?
When I shop I look for American made products. When I find them, I buy them. I find they are of good quality.
I enjoy the contradiction with you. You complain about jobs going overseas. You complain about the quality of American products. So I conclude you buy imported stuff. Now if everyone was like you, there would be NOTHING made here. So I can conclude that you are part of the problem as to why jobs go overseas. You both cause and complain about the same problem! Houston, here is a problem!
A simple fact is businesses MUST make a profit to stay in business. If they don’t, well, just look at the American Car Companies. Should then the government just give money to companies that don’t make good products to keep people employed??
As WWII was ending, we were making airplanes that went straight to the scrap yard. That was there ONLY flight! People could buy them dirt cheap including full fuel tanks! Some were combat gliders. People bought them because they wanted the plywood in the shipping crates. They would toss out the unwanted gliders! I call this a huge waste. Is this what we should be doing with cars just to keep people employed? I don’t think so!
Lastly, what do you have against success in business? Should we run sports the same way? IF so should the 0 – 16 Lions be given an 8 – 8 record just to be fair. And what teams that did well should have wins taken away???
Greed IS good if fair. Now we can agree that business that cook the books like Enron should be punished. And the guy that ran his business like Social Security and left others hanging for billions. All three were wrong. And what about politicians of any party that work with book cooking business to avoid government oversight???
If someone can market a better idea and it sells, they should be able to get rich. If you end that, you will get no new products. And we all will suffer!
Guard SGT (ret)
Dear Kevin:
We are both doing a ton of typing! I will edit your post down to keep this from being more than a country mile long!
>>After 8 years of mispronouncing the same word, I think it does.<> Off of his teleprompter, he is not a good public speaker.<On or off, he is light years ahead of W.>Please cite a single example of Bush putting his life on the line to defend anything.<> Neither have most members of the Bush Administration [worn the uniform],…<>I’m afraid recent history shows that it has been the Republicans who have been running up the deficit… going back as far as the 70’s anyway.<>It’s a well-documented fact that Bush did his everything he could to avoid putting his life on the line.<> You don’t even want to count the votes of our military serving abroad!
I don’t??? I did not know that.<>If you take another look through my posts, you will discover that I have made no great claims about Obama, or Democrats, or liberals….<>… and no disparaging remarks about Republicans or conservatives in general.<>Because he put Sarah Palin on the ticket?<>I thought you said you had read Ann Coulter… but maybe I am mistaken. And she is hardly the only one on the right spewing hate. <>I certainly have… and she is right there on the outer fringes of the extreme right, along with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.<>So she IS the only reason McCain got your vote.<>Absolutely EVERYTHING they predicted regarding the Iraq war turned out to be wrong.<> I have read much from you that ain’t true.
Please feel free to cite examples.<>Before Bush took office, I didn’t know where most people stood politically… and now I do. That is the difference.<>Bush probably would have carved out a nice little career in fast food mismanagement if he had been born into an average American family, instead of into money and connections.<>Obama on the other hand, worked his way to the top.<>I have watched him on a daily basis for eight years, and every day he confirms the suspicions I had about him before he took office.<>Is that about where you’d put Ann Coulter too? Just wondering.<>Again, I have made no disparaging remarks about any Party or affiliation… just the sorry excuse for a president that just left office.<<
I guess that Ann Coulter, Rush, Cheney, Joe the plumber then don’t count.
Guard SGT (ret)