Friday Firesmith – Unhappy Days

I never really liked the television show “Happy Days” but there never was one of those laugh track fueled sitcoms that did anything for me. I was never a television person, to begin with, because  books. Erin Moran was cute and she was popular but she fell into a downward spiral and one of the saddest things I remember seeing is when she got evicted from her trailer. That’s got to be an odd thing, you know, to go from being on a popular television series to being kicked out of a trailer. But Poe died both crazy and broke so writers take a hit on this sort of thing, too.

When Pete Duel killed himself in 1971, I was just ten years old. To me, it was totally unfathomable that someone who was on a television show might decide to end his life suddenly like that. But De Vinci’s last words were purportedly, “I have offended God and mankind because my work did not reach the quality it should have.”

Hemingway drank a lot. I’ve got a pretty impressive scale when I say someone drinks more than average so when I tell you someone has an alcohol problem you can pretty much bet that problem is serious. Along with a host of other issues, Hemingway’s penchant for inebriation likely fueled his mental health issues which led to suicide. Hemingway was a damn good writer. I have a pretty high bar for writing, too.

I’m not sure where Kathy Lucas is right now, or if she ever became famous for painting, or if she simply gave up, like so many people do when it comes to creativity. Quitting is a form a self- destruction that leaves the body alive, you know. I can’t speak to what it does to the soul. Kathy and her boyfriend Tom lived with me for a while in the mid 80’s and Kathy was a painter, and in fact, the first painter I ever had close contact with. She created this massive piece of art. Seriously, it was four feet tall and six feet long, canvas on a wooden frame, and it was glorious. But the subject matter made it even more intense; it was a painting with the point of reference behind a blonde child’s head. You could see the reflection of the kid’s face in the window of a candy store, and that alone was impressive. But there were a dozen jars of candy, each of them filled with colorful striped candy, gumballs of every hue, and they were in glass jars that reflected the child’s face or the candy next to it, and that made it glorious. The sun was shining from behind the child and created a shadow inside the display of the store’s name which wasn’t readable, but the fact it wasn’t, was part of the draw of the painting. All of these things made the painting magnificent.

I walked in one day and found Kathy curled up on the floor crying like Judas. The sobs were coming like she was giving birth to her grief. On the floor near her was a razor knife. The painting lay in ruins, slashed into a hundred pieces, viciously, as if attacked by a pack of four-year-olds seeking the candy within. It took me a full ten minutes trying to talk to Kathy before I realized she had destroyed her own painting with that knife. I spent the next eight years telling people she was one of the most insane people I had ever meet. Then I started writing. Maybe I was right about Kathy Lucas. But not about why she killed the painting. If I have to explain it you wouldn’t understand. I didn’t for a very long time.

Creativity is the greatest gift in the world, no matter what your medium might be. But it’s also a form of madness. It’s a burden. It’s an alternative universe. You’ll never have any happy days that are not sandwiched between the peanut butter of doubt and sadness that you aren’t good enough and you never were and you never will be, no matter what happens.

Erin Moran died of the complications of cancer, we are told, but the drinking, the drugs, and the despair certainly didn’t help her body any. Heroin didn’t kill Erin Moran. Alcohol didn’t kill Papa. The stones didn’t kill Virginia. If I have to explain to you what did you wouldn’t understand it. Sometimes, I still don’t.


Take Care,
Mike

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36 thoughts on “Friday Firesmith – Unhappy Days

  1. One of my favorite episodes of Doctor Who was ‘Vincent and the Doctor’, season 5 episode 10. The Doctor and Amy go back and meet Vincent van Gogh, who is portrayed as your typical tortured artist. They bring him back to the present to show him his work is not crap as he thinks it is, such a happy moment, but it doesn’t last. The end of that episode is so sad.

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  2. I don’t know much about Erin Moran other than she played this “Joanie” character in both Happy Days and Joanie Loves Chachi. Beyond that, she disappeared from the public eye…or at least from mine. To characterize her as one with creativity seems like a stretch for me. Sure she worked in a creative business, but I never saw her beyond the one character and never knew her beyond her troubled life afterwards. This is not to say she wasn’t creative, but from what I know of her, I wouldn’t lay that claim on her.

    Having said that, I think it’s important to state that creativity goes beyond those in the arts. After all, I think it would be unfair to say that either Edison or Einstein lacked creativity. Like the overused adage, they “thought outside the box.” Which brings me to define what makes for creative: problem solving. This is not to be confused with being analytical. Analytical is using existing formulas to resolve an issue. The creative goes beyond what is already known and asks “what if I try this…” This is why some jobs that are considered mundane actually have some creative people. Having worked with others in trades, I have seen them tackle new and unusual situations with creative solutions.

    So, I don’t think that being creative is what leads some to go down the abyss. I think there’s more extenuating circumstances. It could be childhood related, it could be substance abuse related. You could claim that creative people are drawn to substance abuse, but that negates the high rollers on Wall Street who engage in such behavior. I tend to believe that the need for self-destruction is more in the realm of the quality of their ability to connect with other people.

    http://www.cdapress.com/archive/article-c0fa8ead-4d78-5a90-ae43-d57e55819130.html

    We are a social creature. This is why solitary confinement is considered a form of torture. Even your video clip shows a person who fell into depression, which is an illness of isolation. I can’t say her creativity was certain path to depression, but if you have an argument that says it most certainly is, I’d be willing to hear it.

    The stereotype about creatives is that they are a suffering bunch. That seems accurate when thinking about the likes of Robin Williams or Kurt Cobain. They did, after all, have success, but yet grew more and more depressed. It’s not hard to imagine they used that emotion to fuel their creativity, but was it fuel or was it a way to deal with their depression on a short term basis?

    In the end, I don’t see creativity as being the first step to depression, suicide or self-destructive behavior. It’s inconsistent when one considers all those who have utilized their creativity to improve either their world or ours. Steven Jobs was considered creative. His sin was his personality—or at least some who had a problem with it. Henry Ford was creative in his own ways and I don’t know of any history of a self-destructive behavior. No, it seems the issues you see that exist in creative people isn’t because they are creative, it’s because they lost coping mechanisms with a world they eventually couldn’t find a way to co-exist. That problem exists even in the non-creative.

    To Kevin: I find having his companions die more sad—and infuriating.

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    • http://www.livescience.com/51125-creativity-genetically-linked-psychiatric-disorders.html

      Yeah, but….

      I don’t know much about Erin Moran other than she played this “Joanie” character in both Happy Days and Joanie Loves Chachi. Beyond that, she disappeared from the public eye…or at least from mine. To characterize her as one with creativity seems like a stretch for me.

      She was a child star on the show “Daktari” for year, but true enough she didn’t find much to do after her stint in “Happy Days” but that doesn’t mean she didn’t have creativity. I never liked “Happy Days” myself, but that doesn’t add or subtract to talent of those who worked it.

      I couldn’t find any part of your second paragraph that I didn’t like. That was a well placed group of thoughts.

      So, I don’t think that being creative is what leads some to go down the abyss.

      I don’t think it leads to the abyss, but I do think the same genetic makeup that harbors creativity also harbors darkness, However, I do agree with you that the same creative forces that make the slope slippery also make the climb more bearable. I’m a much better writer when I am sober. Therefore, to write better I drink less. It’s a very strange and contradictiry set of thoughts that the same genetic stuff that leads some to be creative and drink will also lead those to be creative to avoid drinking.

      I suspect to try to lump all substance abuse problems that creatives have in a nice neat stack is an oversimplification. I hope that is not how I came across in this.

      We are a social creature. This is why solitary confinement is considered a form of torture. Even your video clip shows a person who fell into depression, which is an illness of isolation. I can’t say her creativity was certain path to depression, but if you have an argument that says it most certainly is, I’d be willing to hear it.

      Woolf is an example, I believe, of someone whose talents were amplified by her illness, not the other way around. Yet she lived in a world where women were often expected to live comfortably in the shadow of their families or husbands, or both. Worse, her sexuality (now there would be a fine topic for discussion, sexuality,,, and creativity, but another day, perhaps) often caused her to be more secretive than she would have liked. Virginia Woolf was a fascinating person in many ways. (She once boarded an English warship disguised as a person from a foreign country that did not exist)

      It’s not hard to imagine they used that emotion to fuel their creativity, but was it fuel or was it a way to deal with their depression on a short term basis?

      I sure wish I was certain of the answer to that question. As it stands, I am only very uncertain.

      In the end, I don’t see creativity as being the first step to depression, suicide or self-destructive behavior.

      Agreed. But I think that in the case of Kurt Cobain his success actually fueled his illness. It was too much.

      Ford is a good example but Jobs, less so. Jobs had a maniacal personality. Still, Ford stands as someone who, though quirky, wasn’t mad.

      And next time, please, a spoiler alert.

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      • I’m a much better writer when I am sober.

        Hmmm… I definitely express myself better when I’m drunk. As I am now. Not drunk, buzzed. If I was drunk all I’d be typing is ZZZZZZ. Because I’d be asleep. Get it?

        To take up some of C.A.I.’s points, To characterize her as one with creativity seems like a stretch for me. Anyone who can make me think they are someone other than who they are is damn creative. This goes for scam artists who stand on the street corner and convince you they are homeless. And politicians!

        I also agree with C.A.I.’s second paragraph. People think I’m clever with the computer but I’m basically just looking up what others have already figured out. When I’m on the job, I’m definitely flying by the seat of my pants, coming up with solutions no one has thought of before. That being said, I don’t consider myself creative, I’m just trying not to get fired.

        As for the rest of what you guys said… I agree, or don’t agree. I don’t know… something else shiny just caught my attention.

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        • Anyone who can make me think they are someone other than who they are is damn creative.

          I see that more as talent. Talent is being able to play a piano well, after years of practice. Creativity is being able to actually write a song for the piano.

          In your example, the talent is in the convincing, but the creativity is in the homeless character they created. In Erin Moran’s case, her character may have already been defined, all she had to do was ply her talents in making sure the vision of the creators came through. Did she inject any of her own creativity into Joanie? I don’t know. All I know is a limited library of her characters which, in my opinion, didn’t show creativity as much as it did talent.

          This is not to say you can’t be both talented and creative, but you can be creative without having talent. Such as the class clown. They are creative enough to always have a quip for the chuckle, but if they can’t structure a stand-up routine so that there’s a proper flow, they lack the talent. There are many talented actors, but it’s the creative ones who are often allowed to improvise for a director.

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      • someone whose talents were amplified by her illness

        Does the illness foster the creativity or does the creativity develop because of the illness?

        As for your link, to be fair after further review, my using people like Einstein and Edison, may not have been proper to counter with as they are more like problem solvers for a more global need whereas the artist is fulfilling more personal needs of self-fulfillment. The creativity you specifically call into question is more associated with the arts where outside approval is often key to determining one’s own success. And therein lies the key to your essay—seeking approval from others to validate oneself. I think it’s fair to say that many creatives create to satisfy their visions and in doing so want others to see it too. Which is why you see egos being bruised when the “commoner” simply doesn’t “get” a piece of art. But this gets back to my first statement—I believe there is psychological need in the individual first and that need is filled in with some type of creative expression. It becomes like a cyclical path of self-fulfilling/destruction.

        I can’t speak to the millions of artists with issues, but I’m willing to bet if that study went deeper, it would show that the issues in question began early on before a path in creativity was taken. (Meaning if they took a path that didn’t require validation, their end might not be as self-destructive).

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        • C.A.I. Your discussions are fascinating and offered some real ‘Aha’ moments.
          You suggest that artistic creativity is “associated with the arts where outside approval is often key to determining one’s own success”. That really resonated and I think provides a key difference between creativity for the arts and creative problem-solving.
          An artistic person has a vision which just keeps expanding. The more wild and unconstrained it is, the more entertaining it is for the viewer. This applies to actors (think Robin Williams), painters (think Edvard Munch), singers (Kurt Cobain) and so on. As you mentioned, each of these people are creating hoping for accolades from the ‘audience’ and it’s definitely true that fear of rejection can drive an artist over the brink. If the artist does not get positive feedback from others, then it would be easy for them to think that they are not a success.
          On the other hand, a creative problem-solver needs to have an unbridled vision that can go in all directions, but then, the key aspect is that the problem-solver has to corral all those thoughts, fit them together and come up with viable options to experiment with. The act of utilizing the creativity provides the feedback that they need. Either it works or it doesn’t.
          That really could be what makes the difference. The artist never has to restrain the creative process. It just keeps dragging them further and further into unexplored places. Their gift lies in being able to demonstrate a non-tangible idea in a way that people can connect with. Whereas the creative problem-solver must, by definition, bring their thinking processes back down into the here and now in order to demonstrate their value in a physical and observable way.

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          • Then perhaps, the creative problem-solver fits in more with the definition of talent or at least an arm of it. Meaning, they are someone who has become proficient in their field and has the ability to step outside the typical confines of their field’s thought process and inject a new idea/method in resolving a problem–such as Kevin does with the computer.

            Maybe the simplest way of defining creativity is one’s willingness to color outside the lines. You start out with an existing structure of a black and white drawing and destroy those barriers into creating a new and different image.

            Which brings us back to the talent vs creativity debate. I believe talent still holds a certain willingness to maintain conformity while creativity demands that one explore beyond that, if not ignore it completely.

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    • I find having his companions die more sad—and infuriating.

      Agreed. He tosses aside companions like I dispose of dirty underwear.

      I haven’t been keeping up, I’m curious to see what happened to Clara. It will be interesting if the next Doctor is a woman, will she have male companions?

      BTW: I’m sure you knew the answer. Why did you let Dave take the ten points?

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      • Not to make this a Doctor Who thread, but I started watching it when Tom Baker was the Doctor. That was something like nine years of him and then he moved on. The next Doctor was okay and my interest in watching the show was only now and then when I had the time, compared to Baker whom I made time for. But then Moffat picked up the character after the show had a few year hiatus. I have to admit, I was never more impressed with the writing. The story arcs, how he managed to make elements from a show from several episodes earlier come to be important much later, how he cleverly created the character of River Song and so on. He’s not as involved in the show as much now, if at all (He’s doing Sherlock now), but when a show makes me rewatch previous episodes to review the “clues” I missed, I find that to be more clever than the original Doctor Who prior to his stepping in.

        The idea of his companions moving on wasn’t an issue (although I admit to a mild crush on Sarah Coleman). SPOILER ALERT!–Leaving Rose in a parallel universe was sad, but at least there was a happy resolution several episodes later. While I found Rory a bit irritating, I came to accept him with Amy and was really pissed at how they departed. SPOILER ALERT!—(I began to think the producers were trying to say something by having so many characters die in the States). With the most recent episodes and Moffat’s departure, the quality of the writing is waning. But I intend to hang on until the bitter end. I gave X-Files the same and I feel the same obligation for the Doctor. At least for now.

        Sorry, I missed your challenge. I did chuckle at it being him, but your challenge had not been posted when I saw that.

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  3. As is often the case when a person of note passes, we tend to focus on those few famous yet conflicted souls to then equate that their end result must always be self-destructive behavior in one form or another for everyone ‘gifted’ with such talent. I submit that the vast majority of those we deem ‘creative geniuses’ survive just fine. Otherwise, where would be the progress we mere common folk enjoy? Whenever someone of notoriety meets their untimely demise, it is and should always be met with a sense of sadness. After all, who among us truly embraces the thought of death, no matter what form it takes. Is it possible that many of us use the example of these twisted conflicted souls of fortune and fame as an excuse to lower the bar for ourselves? Could it be that we gravitate to this mindset lest we find ourselves out on a limb so to speak, only to have it sawed off by fate (odd word ‘fate’), just as it did for Erin or Hemingway or Robin Williams? This may sound harsh, but each one of those made the choice to become self-destructive. We also have exactly the same power as they to make the same choice. Most choose life, be they famous or not. I for one am thankful for all those who have gone before, leaving behind an heritage rich with life experiences for succeeding generations to enjoy. After all, isn’t the real reason we are here is to benefit one another and thus partake of life to its fullest? So, even though we mourn the passing of yet another celebrity (as we rightly should), let us not forget: there is nothing we can do for them. We must now focus on those still here, ensuring that we give them the one thing everyone hungers for: love.

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  4. I know one of the granddaughters of Hemingway she calls herself the black sheep of the family.

    She can’t understand why everyone was fascinated by Grandpa as she described him to me he was constantly drunk and quite abusive. There are some other things said that amount basically to outright lying she has said to me.

    I cannot say I have ever read anything of Hemingway’s.

    Erin Moran hit big and then tanked I saw her in some really poor roles probably the only thing she could get due to her drug use.

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    • I must admit I’m not a voracious reader. I don’t remember ever reading a whole book in school. I skimmed books and read Cliff Notes or some other synopsis when I had to do a book report. That must have worked because I didn’t flunk out. I bought a book the day it came out last November. I’m just a little over half way through it, and that’s only because I read it on the flights to and from Florida a couple weeks ago. I can’t tell you the number of books I’ve started but never finished.

      We visited Ernest Hemingway’s home in Key West quite a few years ago. I purchased his The Old Man And The Sea while there and read it in the car as we traveled. It’s a very short read and I didn’t understand how that book could be a classic. It wasn’t bad but nothing stood out to make it special in any way to me.

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  5. David, Hemingway was a damn good writer. That doesn’t in any way make him a good person. I’ve read some things about him that pretty much confirm he could be abusive.

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  6. Dave IBG,

    I don’t particularly agree with everything you just said but if someone is going to disagree with me that’s the way it should be done. That was a damn impressive comment.

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    • Thanks for that Mike. That is why I visit your site daily and look forward to your Friday Firesmith. You always pique my gray cells into thinking. It is refreshing to have the freedom to disagree and not be brow beat into a corner. Sadly, this freedom of opinion is not something experienced in colleges much these days. And those attending are our future. It is likely to get much worse. That is why, love him or hate him, I respect President Trump not kowtowing to the left’s demands that he express guilt and thus assuage that guilt by apologizing and attempting to clarify what he really meant. It drives those snow flakes nuts! Kabuki theater at its finest!!

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  7. This is why this country is so messed up. You have a large faction of people who want better for our world and a bunch who don’t care how bad things get screwed up as long as it drives the other side crazy.

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    • C.A.I. – I totally agree! For the life of me, I can’t fathom why the left is so hell bent on destroying our country, what with all the hate spewing forth in the form of violent protests and the like. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and the rule of law found within the Constitution will once again be honored to the betterment for all. Don’t give up hope. Help is on the way!

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      • It seems you are one of those cult members with the inability to grasp facts.

        That’s why you can’t grasp why the mindless cult followers on the right would rather destroy this country by putting an inept idiot in the White House just for the sake of irritation, never realizing they are hurting themselves more in doing so.

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        • “It seems you are one of those cult members with the inability to grasp facts.”

          So, by your definition, I am one of those “mindless cult followers on the right (who) would rather destroy this country by putting an inept idiot in the White House just for the sake of irritation”? How perceptive of you! In fact, I am so impressed with your sixth sense skills, I would appreciate your giving me the lottery numbers if you don’t mind. Bullocks! You are so caught up in your own little world of butt hurt feelings since Hillary lost, facts only get in your way of critical thinking. As a result, all you have left is criticism. Time to wake up buttercup. The real destruction of this country is coming from the unhinged leftist loonies. Don’t you think it eye opening that, every time a Republican gains the White House, the loony left comes out of the woodwork to protest, shouting down any opposition with cries of racism, Nazism, homophobia, etc.? That is by design, since those on the left are all about freebies, and the very thought that that government teet is about to be jerked out of their lazy mouth is more than they can stand. The list is way too long to post here as to why this is true, so I will leave you with this single link. It sums it up quite nicely as to why free speech and having an open discussion so vital to the lifeblood of our nation is being silenced. By the way: have you ever considered what ANTIFA stands for? They as a group are vocal about shutting down free speech that doesn’t agree with them. Anti First Amendment. Talk about hypocrisy! Exercising their first amendment right to free speech while shutting down any opposition speech to their position.

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          • Wow, an entire screed of projection by one who prefers fascism over the present Constitutional government we have now.

            Yes, that’s right. You vote Republican, you are voting for corporate rule. Period. Full stop. In fact, I highly doubt you can name one piece of Republican passed legislation that solely helped the average American. Whereas, an informed individual can name dozens and dozens of Republican legislation that predominantly helps the wealthy and/or corporations.

            As for the infantile moron now residing in the White House, he’s going out of his way to enrich himself. In his first 100 days he cost taxpayers nearly as much money at Mar-A-Lago as Obama did in 8 years. Who benefits most from all his trips to Florida? Hmmm, who owns that resort?

            The Kushner family is selling EB-5 visas in China for half a million a piece. Not saying it’s illegal, but sure golly willikers, if any Dem was doing that you would be having a shit fit. The turd in the White House was waiting 10 years for patents and trademarks in China. He has one visit from an individual from China and…Presto! Patents and trademarks granted! Yet, you had your panties in a bunch over the false story of Hillary selling uranium to the Russians, but the Presidunce abusing the emoluments clause? Not a peep from the fascists who support him.

            But you continue with the cult talking points of freebies. That’s the corporations teaching you well to promote their agenda. Yeppers, that bill that recently passed through the House will teach those takers with pre-existing conditions! Too bad if you were born with a congenital heart disease. Insurance payments out of reach? Well the GOP says it’s your fault for being born so you best just go and die. That’s the sociopathic nature of today’s conservative. They prefer corporations telling them what is best for them, which is, of course, convincing the mindless cult followers to give all their money to corporations.

            See, just as you see lefties coming out of the woodwork when a Grifter gets to the White House, I see how right wing hate radio and Faux News run stories of “takers” when a Democrat is in office. But cult followers don’t bother to follow the money because they are fed a constant diet of hate with one hand while the other hand is picking your pocket.

            You wanna complain about taxes? Sure, everybody does. Did you know that tariffs used to pay for 100% of the government. Naturally, as the country grew that changed, but tariffs still paid its fair share. Well, corporations wanted cheap labor and they could get it in other countries, but tariffs would put some hurt on that plan. Well, guess what, the corporations created trade policies like NAFTA, CAFTA and they passed with the majority of Republicans in Congress voting for those trade policies while the majority of Democrats voted against them. Know people who lost their job? Might be because the GOP cared more about appeasing their corporate overlords than the average Joe.

            But hey, you prefer rule by corporations rather than what we have now. Just keeping towing the line like the good little cult follower that you are. Just remember, pay no attention to the corporate hand picking your pocket, just keep watching the corporate hand that tells you to “watch for that person! They want your job! They’re taking your money!”

            Yep, that’s why wages have been stagnant for years, that’s why unemployment exists, that’s why health insurance is so high…because of the takers! Yeah, right.

            As for free speech, I guess you forgot all those town halls when the Democrats were working on the ACA. There was plenty of free speech by right wingers. So much so, that had to shut down some town halls. And certainly the orange turd was all about free speech at his rallies as he invited others to beat a person up. Moral relativism? Hypocite? pick and choose.

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          • And now the Presidunce may have been blabbing highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.

            You have so much invested in flipping the proverbial middle finger to the other side you are willing to sell out our security. But I’m sure your media cult leaders will feed you your talking points and will tell that’s not a problem–if they mention it at all.

            But that’s what you get when you vote in someone with a vocabulary of a 10-year-old, the attention span of a gnat and an ego as big as his insecurities he must constantly remind others how important he is by boasting about his inside knowledge regardless of the consequences. Yes, you helped elect an outsider, but you also helped put a buffalo in a china shop. Because, in your world, spite is more important than all else.

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  8. Mike, I completely agree with you regarding creativity being an alternative universe. It is also, as you say, the source of incredible self-doubt and insecurity about one’s own worth. That goes with what C.A.I. was saying about a creative artist needing constant validation from others.
    Of course, that leads to the question of why the artist needs that regular endorsement. I think one of the reasons is the need to believe that others can see through that alternative universe and understand that there is a real person in there whose actions can be interpreted in a very positive way. While the creative person often sees themself as crazy, they hope that others will attest to the idea that they are in fact not, that their life and their work are valued and appreciated and that the intensity that they have poured into their artistry is seen as something as amazing as it felt when it was inside their mind.
    I do feel that being highly creative can be very scary. Sometimes the border between the created universe and reality becomes blurred and so the artist may react to something imagined that felt very real. Sometimes when lost in that other world, the artist doesn’t recognize positive happenings in the real world such as appreciation of their art and instead becomes overwhelmed by fear they felt in the other world.
    This may sound rather idealistic, but I was reading today about “mindfulness” which I had never understood. It was described in the article as “experiencing how things actually are, versus how you think they are or should be”. Their point was that many of us spend our time worrying about the past, the future or what we are afraid will happen and therefore miss the moment in which we live. That often means that we fail to interact with the present and so don’t ever really explore or appreciate it. I must admit that does sound like an excellent goal for the creative. I think I’ll go sign myself up for a Mindfulness practice group :-p

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  9. C.A.I. – A year old link to bolster your position? Did you even click the link in my response? There is where childish resides. Whatever. I give up. Have a nice day in your Amerika.

    To Mike: Sorry for getting so off topic. I will try to do better from here on out.

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  10. The point about my link was to remind you that you seem to hold Pumpkin head’s supporters to a different standard.

    Now about about your video… There’s a message on the other side that he immediately flips when the camera comes back to him. I am willing to bet it was that message that everyone was reacting to. I froze several frames of that moment, and somehow that one side is blurred and not legible, but the moment he realizes he needs to flip the sign, the words are clear as day. If I know one thing about wing-nut propaganda, is that it lies.

    So it would seem my point about so many having a cultish belief of never posing the obvious questions that would alter one’s worldview has been provided by you.

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  11. Well this began rather civilized and on topic and some really good thought and insight shared by all including the resident troll. He writes well and he’s not stupid but he still hasn’t figured out that as soon as he initiates an unprovoked personal attack on someone, he comes off as nothing more than an insolent blowhard and anything intelligent that he might want to convey is going to be regarded as worthless babble.
    I really don’t see any justifiable reason for his personal attack on DBG (other than it’s a prime example of narcissism at its best) but alas, he did, just as he has done before to DBG, myself and countless others with whom he feels superior to solely because he disagrees with him.
    When I look at the video that DBG posted I see a guy with a sign doing nothing more than standing there peacefully holding it. It is his inalienable right in the America that I believe in for him to be able to do just that. The harassment that ensues against him for holding that sign is nothing short of criminal. And when I, and I assume DBG, see such a wanton display of intolerance by the people in that unruly mob, it’s the antithesis of what I would want for/from my friends, children, grandchildren or anyone that I might have any association with. Yes, I voted for Trump and after witnessing everything that the left and the media has done since then in an attempt to divide the American people even more, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
    P.S. The flip side of that sign that you’re so certain is nothing more than wing-nut propaganda??? Sorry but it states “Stand-Up to Incitement and Intimidation”

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  12. Ahh, Lil Johnnie. I was wondering when you were going to chime in with your usual ad hominems. You really need to stop using words like narcissist when you obviously haven’t a clue to what it means. See, I’m here fighting for that child with the congenital heart defect who won’t be able to afford health insurance. I’m fighting for that veteran who is being stripped of benefits. I’m here fighting for the Grandma who is being deprived of her proper Social Security payments. I care about others, that’s the complete opposite of a narcissist.

    So, if by superior you mean someone who thinks independently outside of what a propaganda machine tells you, then yes, I am. When you live on a steady diet of right wing hate media and justify your beliefs through confirmation bias, you are displaying cult behavior. Nearly every right wing belief can be proven to be incorrect and/or misleading. Neither you nor Dave can dispute what I have presented. Instead, like the atypical cult follower, they change the subject by crying you are victims or as you usually do, use ad hominems, which trolls are prone to do. The FBI finds conservative hate groups are a bigger threat than outside foreign terrorism, so when a group of cultists feel to vote for a man-child is worth flipping off the Constitution, American values and our founding fathers, you can bet there will be people who will be pissed at these cultists.

    As for your summation of the video, (BTW, it’s not in America) at the 49 sec mark, the guy flips his sign around. It’s my assertion that the message on that side is what is inciting the people. When one breaks down the video in a frame by frame method, you can see that the message is deliberately blurred as each frame shows different blurring, which means it was done in post production. As for the content of that message, it is difficult to make out with 100% certainty. If it says what you think it says, why go through the trouble to blur it? (Not that you’d answer a simple question. )Even casting that aside, it’s obvious to any normal person that the video is edited with a bias. You have to see that or you must admit that Michael Moore doesn’t edit any of his films with a bias. If you don’t, you just solidified your cult status.

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