Friday Firesmith – Who Do They Love?

One of my FB friends is also a Trump supporter. He just adopted a dog who wandered off the street and into his yard. His wife was thrilled at the idea of saving the dog’s life, and oh yeah, she too is a Trump person. Both are a little rabid about their support for the president they helped elect. I haven’t asked how they feel about it now, but I’m pretty sure they would rather keep what they have than switch. This is a mystery to me, totally, and completely, but take a moment and put politics aside. Do you think they have good hearts?

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of politics how do you feel about a couple who has a strong marriage, who love one another, and who saves a stray? Can you claim they are evil or ignorant or morally bereft?

Ask yourself this of those who oppose your way of thought; who do they love? Do they have kids, pets, someone with a ring on it, someone they’re thinking about putting a ring on, do they have a mom and a dad, do they have people they love and who love them back?

I’m serious. Who are these people you so vehemently oppose and who so vehemently oppose you?

I’m not big fan of Trump at all and everyone knows this, but the level of noise versus signal has reached a point where there is no discussing anything anymore without it breaking down into something that drunk third graders couldn’t pull off at a meth party where everyone was bobbing for shots of tequila in an eighteen-gallon tub of Dragon’s Milk beer. Is this the way to select out leaders? Is this the way to separate the wheat from the chaff?

How’s this working for us right now?

The next chance you get to do battle with someone, why not lay out some ground rules first; find three things about that person you think is worthy of respect. You think it’s hard to debate someone you respect? I think it would be easier, actually, and when you admire a man for saving a dog’s life, and his wife for being thrilled about it, then it’s harder to go low and easier to raise the bar for how you treat someone you’re speaking to about a subject that’s damn important.

Our country was cobbled together by men who owned slaves yet believed in freedom. It was sewn together by men who believed in equality but wouldn’t let women vote. It was put together to raise our species away from the yoke of oppression and tyranny of a king, yet white male landowners were the only people allowed to vote on this.

It’s a contradiction yet it still worked. It is still working, to a degree, and I much rather be in this country with this president than in most other places on earth ruled by most anyone else.

Until we find a way to talk to those we oppose in a manner that generates a true understanding and genuine respect I fear we’re going to become a house divided and nothing serves the rich more than the poor fighting among themselves for the scraps.
Take Care,
Mike

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29 comments to Friday Firesmith – Who Do They Love?

  • Our country was cobbled together by men who owned slaves yet believed in freedom. It was sewn together by men who believed in equality but wouldn’t let women vote. It was put together to raise our species away from the yoke of oppression and tyranny of a king, yet white male landowners were the only people allowed to vote on this.

    One, there are those who have no issues with the idea of slavery, as long as it’s the people they have chosen to hate. Two, there are those who support this administration that have no issue with women not voting, in fact they would love to repeal that amendment. Third, there are those who, without realizing it, voted for the authoritarian who promised oppression of others. Forth, there are those who will argue denying the vote to as many as possible is a good idea.

    It’s a contradiction yet it still worked.

    It used to be that the two parties agreed on a lot of things, they just disagreed how to get there. Nowadays, with the rich owning politicians, that subtle deviation is dead in the water.

    This country is divided more than ever. As Pogo once said, “We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.” A recent poll says we’re more divided than ever. It’s a divide and conquer strategy that was put in place some 30 years ago to gain political control, and so far, it’s working. Get control of the media and manipulate public opinion to fit their needs. (Sorry cons, but the majority of media outlets are corporate owned which are run by those with conservative politics. For proof, have you seen or heard anything on what the FCC chairman is doing to gut regulations? or that there is plan to create and raise tolls to fund infrastructure? or have you heard about the continuing destruction of Fukushima? or the two white terrorists who planned on a mass murder and bombing Target stores? Of course not, because it conflicts with the message the need to put out).

    How does this tie to the meat of your essay? Loving an animal but having total disregard for fellow humans is a condition that does exist. Same goes for a baby. What you have is a situation of conditional love vs. unconditional love. Having total disregard for both would most likely fall under the sociopath/psychopath category. But what’s important to note is you don’t have politicians or so-called news outlets demonizing babies and animals. If it suited their political needs, that would change.

    In the end what has been created is antithetical to maintaining society. You have a portion of society who believe that others are to blame for their own ills. These are the same people who exalt the term “personal responsibility.”

    So to answer your question about putting politics aside and believe they have good hearts, I don’t see them being compatible. Especially on the moral issue because that takes in account moral relevance. By this I mean, how is it moral to demand a baby be born then deny any access to get it fed and educated? That’s not pro-life, it’s pro-birth…anything after that can go screw itself. How is that moral? Their so-called good hearts are only about them and not others, and their politics reflect that.

    A civilized society that prospers is one that looks out for each other. Sadly, politics today has been designed to manipulate emotions of the masses, and vote against their own interests, to benefit only one sector of society at the expense of the others who made it possible. It’s the simple manipulation of getting someone to do what you want by making them think it was their idea.

    In the end, my answer is no, I cannot grant the opposition any respect. I’ve said it before, I don’t tolerate ignorance because the very people who demand personal responsibility take no responsibility to educating themselves on the facts. Alternative facts aren’t facts. If you only choose to believe in things to exonerate yourself of any personal responsibility it doesn’t make it a fact, it makes it an alternate reality that allows your ignorance to grow. The truth doesn’t discriminate, nor does it care about your feelings. If the only sources you agree with allow 100% deflection of guilt then there are issues with you, which of course you would automatically deny. After all, how can I trust them on any other subject if they are oblivious to issues that matter?

    • Architect

      Ha Ha Ha! The frickin’ irony! I wish you could see yourself from the third person.

      • Richard

        Why do I envision a certain someone in a tin foil hat?

        • Meh. These are the people who lack total self-awareness. It’s a sign of weakness that they lash out at the messenger so as to avoid debate on the message.

          • architect

            I’m not lashing out at you, C.A.I. That would be pointless, as would debating you. I just find you amusing. Even your reply is ironic. Thanks for the laughs.

              • Architect

                Quite the contrary. I have no desire to waste my time. I’ve seen what you call “debate.” Who’s lashing out now?

              • …and yet you found the time to pointlessly reply.

              • CAI is nothing more than a troll guys. Don’t pander to his bullshit. His ultimate goal is to get someone angry enough to lash out at him in such a way that Jonco will have to close the comments on this thread.
                Says “It’s a sign of weakness that they lash out at the messenger so as to avoid debate on the message” but that’s exactly what he did replying to Mike’s post. Mike wasn’t talking about Fukushima, abortions or Target, dimwit.
                Dogs, people, heart, caring, they might have voted for Trump but they also might just have some redeeming qualities and maybe someday we can all get along?
                No. As far as you’re concerned they’re all ignorant, uneducated and possibly psychopathic or sociopathic. It’s people exactly like you that will ensure that the ‘divide’ will get even wider than it is right now.
                And why can’t you even keep your train of thought long enough to realize you started in cardinal numbers before switching to ordinal and then “forth”?!?! WTF is “forth”?!?! What’s next in line, dimwit? Cinco de Mayo?!?!
                A troll, guys. Nothing more.

              • Says “It’s a sign of weakness that they lash out at the messenger so as to avoid debate on the message” but that’s exactly what he did replying to Mike’s post. Mike wasn’t talking about Fukushima, abortions or Target.

                Another example of someone lacking reading comprehension skills along with critical thinking skills. The example you refer to was not an attack on the messenger, who in this case, is Mike. However, the mention of those subjects was an example of proof where one side likes to use the disproven talking point of a “liberal media”. Which lent itself to expand on why your kind are not tolerable to me due in large part to denying facts that contradict your beliefs.

                His ultimate goal is to get someone angry enough to lash out at him in such a way that Jonco will have to close the comments on this thread.

                Now you’re just projecting. I have been nothing but honest in my intolerance for ignorance, especially willful ignorance. When someone makes an inane comment about a ban that is racial based by saying one argument can be equated to banning people with two eyes, it gets my ire up that they are so jejune as to not see how stupid of an argument that is. That only works if there is race of three-eyed humans.

                As far as you’re concerned they’re all ignorant, uneducated and possibly psychopathic or sociopathic.

                Yes and so far current situations bear that out.

                It’s people exactly like you that will ensure that the ‘divide’ will get even wider than it is right now.

                As long as there is Faux News and right wing hate radio, placing the blame on me is disingenuous.

                WTF is “forth”?!?!

                It’s called a typo. But anyone with minimal ability of reading comprehension would have been able to deduce that from the context of the paragraph.

              • Narcissism (abridged definition below and prime example above)
                “you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior.”

              • Well, there’s a multitude of other signs that you left out that make your accusation baseless. However, of those that you left out– lack of empathy– something you seemingly have in spades along with, ironically, trouble handling criticism, by your own measures has you being a narcissist.

                But as you like to sell yourself as someone who is intelligent, answer this: Cheeto-boy is considering paying for his border wall by cutting funds to the Coast Guard and airport security. When you cut money, two things happen, you reduce resources and you reduce workers to do the job. This will make it easier for the terrorists and drug smugglers to get in. One, how does this make Mexico pay for the wall? Two, how is this better for addressing his issue with keeping terrorists (who mostly come in via airports) out and those “bad dudes/hombres” from getting illegal drugs into the country?

                Can you tell me how allowing coal mining companies to dump toxic waste in nearby rivers and streams (thereby sending toxins to millions who use those waters) increases jobs in coal mining? You should also know that coal usage has dropped and is seen as a dying industry, (2000, it was almost 53 percent of all the electricity in the United States. By 2009, 45 percent. In 2014, 39 percent. 2013, it was 33 percent.) so why hire more people when less work is needed?

                Let’s see how your empathy to political preferences ratio works: Or is it more important that the coal mining companies save money (because dumping is cheaper–whereas hiring people to take away the waste– which actually creates more jobs) and it’s okay with you that they send millions of people to their death by sending them toxic water?

              • Those questions too tough for you Johnny-boy?

                How about Cheeto-boy’s promise to Build in America/Buy American? Weren’t those oil pipes supposed to be built with American steel? Whoops, guess not. Has he suspended Buy American waivers for foreign firms? Doesn’t appear so.

                Seems he promised a lot for the American people but so far, his actions seem to be helping corporations more. Is that why you voted for him? What of his botched raid at Yeman where we lost an American soldier? Is that worthy of an investigation or is it simply not politically suitable for the party in control? (His widow made for a great prop for his speech, tho.) Was it because he said he would repeal the ACA? Well, by gosh, you wouldn’t want that black man to have any legacy do you? Or did you vote for him because he wasn’t Hillary? Is it because believing she is guilty of things with no viable proof is somehow a smart thing and supporting an individual that has proven to lie, cheat and steal over the course of his lifetime will be much better for the country? It’s these observations that have me question your morals, Johnny-boy. You don’t seem to care about real Americans who will die and did die because of GOP policies, in fact, you seem to constantly vote in a way to make sure it continues.

                See, Johnny-boy, a real narcissist doesn’t care about others, only about themselves. Or is that more the definition of a sociopath? I sometimes get those two mixed up.

              • C.A.I.

                And once again, a foolish conservative voter proves my point. I stated that it’s a sign of weakness that they lash out at the messenger so as to avoid debate on the message. And that’s exactly what you have done in each of your posts. Since you have not taken the initiative nor have the backbone to address my reasons why I choose to not respect a Trump supporter, or even respond to my direct questions, the only rational conclusion is that you must know I am correct in my assertion. And the cowards who will immediately select the one star rating further prove my point.

              • OMG!! I’m guessing that I struck a nerve there?
                Thanks C.A.I. You just made my day!!!
                ROFLMFAO !!!

  • john whyman

    I could say the same thing about people who eat meat and it would make more sense.

  • Ron Larson

    Sadly, thanks to cable TV and the web, have can now live our lives in an echo chamber. I’ve know people stuck in echo chambers on both ends of the political spectrum within my own family.

    Before all of this, we all had to read/watch/listen from the same narrower pool of information. So you had to listen to things you disagree with. You had to interact with others from across the spectrum. Not any more.

    When you live in an echo chamber, and you are constantly fed stories crafted to outrage you, then you can’t tolerate opinions outside of your own. You have been training to react with outrage, not consideration, when confronted with a different argument.

    Narrowcasting and the web aren’t going away. I don’t know what the solution is. I think we are doomed to fracture into our tribes.

    • Before all of this, we all had to read/watch/listen from the same narrower pool of information. So you had to listen to things you disagree with. You had to interact with others from across the spectrum. Not any more.

      The Fairness Doctrine is greatly misunderstood. The largest part of it was that networks had to provide a certain amount of public interest programming in order to secure its license. That programming was news and it was not a profit generator. With the growth of cable and the necessity for profit, the Doctrine lost its ability to really work. Now, networks exist with News in its name, but they are actually propaganda. Plus with so many networks being owned by so few corporations, real news is controlled that makes any of their holdings look bad.

      Even PBS is under the thumb of corporate pressure. See who funds them and you’ll stop wondering why they have lost their ability to report on certain industries.

    • Ron, I’m not as depressed about the future as some people are. I have survived Johnson, Nixon, Ford,Carter, Regan, Two Bushes, Clinton, Obama, and I’m going to survive Trump, too. We all are. I must admit things look stranger now than I have ever seen them, but when the going gets weird, the weird go pro. (Stole that last part from Thompson)

  • xoxoxoBruce

    “It’s a contradiction yet it still worked. It is still working, to a degree…”

    It worked because it evolved, over the last 251 years many of the wrongs have been righted in law, but unfortunately attitudes of many have not kept pace.

    “… and I much rather be in this country with this president than in most other places on earth ruled by most anyone else.”

    Don’t forget the President does not rule us, he represents us(U.S.). Less than half of us anyway.

  • Dave in Battle Ground

    Great read Mike. I have a friend that expresses pure hatred for Trump. I have encouraged him to calm down and not let The Donald live rent free in his head. Far too often we choose to allow what we don’t agree with to influence our lives. I prefer to default to a passage in the Bible that addressed the disciples of Jesus proselytizing the citizens of the day as my go to when considering all the clamor surrounding us these days:

    “Men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God.” – Acts 5:34, 38-39

  • And now the party of small government is working on passing a law that allows your employer to make you take a genetic test so that he can fire your ass if you are predisposed to costing him more on insurance.

    How far are we from revisiting the world of eugenics?

    • duuude

      I saw that too. Isn’t that amazing? Their disciples are so clueless that they will let this happen. Karma is going to be doing a lot of ass kicking in the next few years. I also particularly like the one where they want to cancel mental health coverage through Trumpcare and at the same time are striking down the law that keeps mentally ill people from getting guns. Un-freaggin-believable.

  • duuude

    That’s great that your friends adopted a puppy. How about adopting another human being instead? Or is it just “about themselves” they care most? Because that seems to be the typical Trump supporter. It’s all about ME. They didn’t adopt a puppy because it would make the puppy feel better. They adopted the puppy because they didn’t want spend any money and they wanted a dog. You can see just about anything with two pairs of eyes and get to different conclusions. I, personally, hate this “I got mine so everyone can go screw themselves” attitude. It’s not conducive of a better world.

 
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