Muslim’s take on terrorists…

Muslims view of terrorists

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43 comments to Muslim’s take on terrorists…

  • eyeball

    This…EXACTLY!

  • JP

    Last time I checked the Westboro Baptist Church followers weren’t killing people or blowing up buildings.

  • uhm hum

    Wow, I’d think people would view terrorists more seriously than a bunch of people who are just kind of annoying and inconsiderate.

  • joemama

    If Westboro Baptist Church is brought up in conversation, Christians will usually speak their mind and decry them. Funny how this theoretical disdain for the terrorists by Islamists is rarely heard. Maybe it is true. Maybe they do disdain them but are afraid of backlash from their fellow muslims. Doesn’t that, in itself, speak volumes about the muslim community in general and Islam specifically.

    • ray

      How many muslims have you been around where you brought up the topic of islamic terrorists?

      • Buckwheat

        Ray, I would agree that very few of us have experience living in a primarily Islamic country, therefore a discussion on our discussions with them is likely not a good way to go. Have you had conversations on a regular basis with Muslims concerning this?
        The problem is that the Muslim’s themselves are not reigning in their own fundamentalists. It is requiring the groups directly affected by the terrorism to go and kill Bin Laden etc. The comparison to Westboro is not a good one because Wesboro does not go and kill people. If they did go to another country and kill someone in the name of Christianity, you would bet that they would be taken to justice by Christians as well as Muslims. The fact that they are not cleansing themselves leads me to believe that there is a large contingent among Muslims that the majority either fear or agree with this extremist group. It is also likely that the governments in these countries support these extremist and thus the majority fear the combination of the extremists and the government. Thus you get comments such as the one from joemama that we don’t “hear” from the majority of Muslims that they disagree or fight the extremism.

        • ray

          Have I had conversations with Muslims concerning terrorism?
          It has come up and the response is they don’t like being connected to a small group and many have explained that these groups are extremists whose beliefs are not the norm.

          I agree that Westboro isn’t the best example. A better example would be the fundamentalist Christians who use terror, and kill, in the name of abortion. I don’t hear Christians speak out against them in any public forum. In private discussions tho, it’s a different matter. Some disassociate themselves from those fundamentalists, some side with their position, but aren’t going out of their way to “cleanse” themselves either. So are they not doing so because they agree with their methods?

          Sure, some may say that at least Eric Rudolph apologized, but did Scott Roeder? And does an apology really change the issue? Christian terrorism is a worldwide problem. Just ask those in Ireland (not so much now), or in India (the NLFT), or what of Anders Behring Breivik of Norway? Let’s not forget the KKK right here in the states. When any of these people do an act of terror or violence, one could be hard pressed to hear a loud outrage from the Christian community. People speak out against the acts, but I don’t always hear fellow Christians speaking out against these people. Sometimes I do hear it, sometimes I don’t. Why don’t we hear more from both Christians and Muslims? My guess is that it doesn’t make for great news.

          So, not sure what Christian faith you are, but when any of the above Christian groups make the news in a negative fashion, does your pastor or reverend or whatever dedicate a sermon to lambasting these fellows of your faith?

          The odd thing is, Muslims have spoken out against Islamic terrorists, but there are those who simply don’t want to be bothered into thinking otherwise. A simple Google of “Muslim communities speak out against Isslamic terrorists” actually brings up websites and links that denounce terrorism sorts and people who do speak out against it. These things have been in the news. I’ve seen it. Perhaps you have but chose to not believe it, or maybe you don’t remember–either by choice or not.

          Or perhaps even after the simple task of Googling, you may dismiss all the sites. So in the end, the question is: Are thee problems Muslims or you?

      • joemama

        Ray, I understand your point. Living in America in a middle American town, I don’t have a lot of Islamic friends or acquaintances. However, you take my point too literally. If Muslims were to protest the use of terror, then why are they rarely, if ever, reported by the media as doing so. You could say, perhaps, that the media is biased. Well, with that I’d agree. But not in way that you might suggest. The mainstream media has bent over backwards to further the cause of “Multi-culturalism”–which has been used to squelch opposition to the direction that politics and society is heading. The media claims that it is trying to defend against possible backlash against Muslims by the evils of American society. But there have been very few such examples. However, when a Muslim blows up runners at the Boston Marathon, or shoots up soldiers while screaming “Allah Akbar!”, the media has been quick to cover for them, or to deny the fundamental truths. Good lord, they have even been calling the Fort Hood shooting “Workplace Violence” rather than point out the elephant in the room. At the Boston Marathon, the media was quick to attempt to point fingers at the Tea Party movement, or other allegedly “far right” groups. You get enough of this kind of thing and it’s difficult to believe that the media isn’t in collusion with the goals of Islam. I hesitate to say that they are actually pro-Islam. Because they know nothing of Islam. They have similar goals however: the dismantling of Christian America.

        So…Ray, I’d like to ask you. How many instances of Muslims decrying terrorism are you aware of, when there were no political gains to be made by doing so?

        • ray

          I didn’t notice the media pointing out the Tea Party. I do know someone, on Facebook perhaps, wrote that. But it’s not hard to to think any such action may a right wing nut. The bombing happened in Boston, a largely liberal city in a liberal state, so the method to such a conclusion isn’t a far leap. McVeigh was a right wing nut. The Sikh shootings in Wisconsin was done by a right wingnut. The Tuscon shooter was called a right winger but was an Independent and mostly just a nutcase. The majority of non-government sanctioned militias are right wing in philosophy. So is it a stretch to first think some tragedy has roots from a right wingnut and his cause? Not really. Is it fair? Not at all.

          The irony of all this is that Islamic fundamentalists have a lot in common with Christian fundamentalists and if you put them politically, they are both far right.

          “You get enough of this kind of thing and it’s difficult to believe that the media isn’t in collusion with the goals of Islam.”
          Did you type that while wearing your tinfoil hat?

          • Andy from Beaverton

            Animal Liberation Front – left wing
            Army of God – right wing
            Aryan Nations – right wing
            Black Liberation Army – left wing
            Earth Liberation Front – left wing
            Jewish Defense League – right wing
            Ku Klux Klan – Sen. Robert Byrd
            May 19th Communist Organization – left wing
            Weathermen – left wing
            Unabomber – left wing
            Centennial Olympic Park bombing – right wing
            Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting – unknown
            Fort Hood shooting – left wing
            Christopher Dorner – left wing
            Boston Bombers – left wing

            If you removed the rare killings of abortionists, the far majority of terrorist acts in my lifetime have been by the left wing. I didn’t include any attempted assignations or actual assignations of presidents or other political figures, which have mostly been done by left wingers.

            • ray

              For a fact checker, you play fast and loose with “facts.”

              Pulling one name who was a former member of the KKK doesn’t prove your point. That is, if you are trying to make one. Not only did he disavow the Klan, the Klan itself is a right wing organization.

              Of course you could remove the killings of anti-abortionists, but it doesn’t absolve them of arson and bombings of clinics. Terrorism isn’t just killing. If you had any idea of what a fact is, you’d know that. But I can see you don’t.

              Hasan’s shooting, to my knowledge, had no political motivation unless one considers not wanting to be deployed political. Which it could be, but the information I find puts more of resentment of the way he was treated because he was a Muslim. Nice try, but this one one doesn’t fit either category.

              Boston was done by Muslim extremists, who by their very political views fall on the right side of the political spectrum.

              Page was a white supremacist, which makes him right wing.

              Of course, you conveniently left out the Oklahoma bombing done by a right wing militia guy.

              “I didn’t include any attempted assignations or actual assignations of presidents or other political figures, which have mostly been done by left wingers.”

              Dictionary.com: assignation–an appointment for a meeting, especially a lover’s secret rendezvous.

              Yeah, well, i don’t consider a President getting a blow job an act of terrorism.

              I hope you don’t get paid for finding actual facts on your job, because you would be working for free. Again, you wasted money on all those majors. You should have focused on one and at least tried to do well at that. Instead you seem to suck at everything.

              • Andy from Beaverton

                the Klan itself is a right wing organization.
                Post-Civil War KKK members were Confederate anti-Republicans. Under Woodrow Wilson, the KKK gained strength and was supported by his progressive followers. Post civil rights movement, the infinitely small KKK embraced positions of the right. That itself is strange since a far greater number of Republicans voted for the civil rights legislation of the 60′s than the Democrats.

                Hasan’s shooting, to my knowledge, had no political motivation
                Hasan had told a fellow soldier he hoped Obama would withdraw from both Afghanistan and Iraq. He also had the same position as the left does about Palestine. You must pray at Obama’s feet, because he too thinks the Fort Hood shootings were not political. He called it “workplace violence”. Hasan is from the left! Own him!

                Boston was done by Muslim extremists, who by their very political views fall on the right side of the political spectrum.
                Ray, you are a crackpot! Who do you think Muslim extremists agree more with on foreign policy, Reagan or Carter? Bush or Clinton? The older Boston bomber was a registered voter in Cambridge and told friends he supported Obama. Own him too Ray!

                A far as Page is concerned, there is no record of political positions.

                Of course, you conveniently left out the Oklahoma bombing done by a right wing militia guy
                It wasn’t done on purpose.

                Everything else isn’t worth commenting on since you have proven time and time again the you are a leftist troll. You will ignore facts that don’t fit your cause and focus on spelling. In other words, you are not worth wasting too much time on.

  • Minimauve

    Canadian Muslims, at least the ones I know who have settled here from East Indian and northern African countries, go out of their way to be considerate to Christians and Jews. They came here to get away from the extreme politics and violence they grew up in. I worked with a large number of Muslim educators at our school board and they were without exception the most peaceful, easygoing people in the business. And the most serious about getting the job done and the most thankful when we included them in social activities. I do take exception to the idea that the Westboronians are merely annoying and inconsiderate. They are vicious, vindictive and as hatefilled as any terrorists, and undoubted feel they are getting into heaven by lashing out at everyone else. They frighten me more than any other group of extremists.

  • Conan

    Yes muslims dont agree, but they are also not very vocal in decrying it an insult to there religion. Its like if a pedo or murderer is killed, i dont agree with murder, but when a pedo is killed…..cant say im going to be that vocal on it.

    • ray

      “Its like if a pedo or murderer is killed, i dont agree with murder, but when a pedo is killed…..cant say im going to be that vocal on it.”

      That only makes sense in this discussion if you are a pedo or a murderer.

  • Scott

    No not really, Americans speak out against W.B. Church and do whatever it takes to prevent these lunatics from interupting funerals etc… Muslims RARELY Speak out against there own, probably for fear of having their head lopped off. Oh yeah…another BIG difference, W.B. Church has yet to kill innocent by-standers in any capicity.
    Muslims make absolutely NO EFFORT in policing themselves, anyone know whats going on in Africa and the Middleast as far as muslims are killing Christians DAILY. Where is the outrage from the muslim community?

  • Paulo

    Always when I see something posted in this blog that contain the least amount of critique of western attitude, I rush to the comment section to read religious fanatics and nationalists raging in their stupidity. It never fails.

    • Buckwheat

      Tell us what has been said that is stupid. The comparison is not fair and is quite stupid. Wait, I think I know what you mean. My eyes are yet opened. If someone does not agree with you 100% they are stupid. Someone with a different point of view than you is ignorant, or a bigot. You cannot tolerate those you find intolerant.
      So be clear. What do you not agree with that has been posted. Have the discussion or don’t rush to judgement.

      • Paulo

        The author of the tweet makes no comparison between Marlboro Baptist Church members and “islamic” terrorists; she makes a comparison between the way the first ARE SEEN by the rest of american society and the way terrorists are seen by islamic society. I suppose this means muslims in general (in her opinion) think they are bigoted, misled and ridiculous. Maybe they are viewed as more than that: maybe they are seen also as some kind of Timothy McVeighs, I don’t know. She’s not saying they are not; she just doesn’t say they are. What she says in no way means that the actions of Marlboro Babtist Church members are equivalent to those of terrorists. Neither it means that muslims (or herself personally) don’t condemn assassination more rarshly than they condemns stupid picketing. She’s just talking about a particular fact of her own culture.

        Nevetheless you, joemama, JP, et caterva rushed to criticize her as if she would have said things of that sort. You should rather follow her exemple and try to undestand and criticize your own culture, that also has it’s own murderers and bigots, instead of inventing theories about the way public opinion and government works in countries you don’t know at the least, like you where specialists in foreign affairs of some sort. So if the shoe fits, wear it.

  • I think it’s a good Tweet. I Fully agree! Let’s have a bit less hatred and ignorance.

  • Scott

    Facts are facts.

  • DrEvil007

    This tweet is so much bullshit. Polls in majority Muslim countries reveal anywhere from 10% to 70% of the population support terrorist activity if it is in support of Islam. Westboro is a bunch of cultists who claim to be Christians. Islamic terrorists are following the letter and intent of their faith.

  • ray

    Ten to 70%? That’s one huge spread. Perhaps some links to support your statement would be helpful to better understand your point.

    • Andy from Beaverton

      How have you not heard about these polls? Is NPR censoring?

      A 2004, a year after the invasion of Iraq, Pew Research Center survey found that suicide bombings against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq were seen as “justifiable” by many Jordanians (70%), Pakistanis (46%), and Turks (31%).

      A more recent poll: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

      • ray

        Well duh. The same way acts of terrorism would be seen as justifiable here in the US if the acts were done on an invading army. Hell, the colonists were viewed as terrorists by the British forces.

        Of course, if you read the entire article you would see a large majority do not support acts of terrorism on civilians in the US.

        You really need to get a refund from your school, dude.

        • Andy from Beaverton

          Try and follow the conversation. No one believed there was a poll that said 70% of a Muslim country supported acts of terrorism. I posted the poll.

          You probably didn’t pay for your schooling, so no refund for you!

  • paul in boca

    Dr. E,
    that’s quite a broad brush you’re painting with, care to back up your statement with some links to actually prove what you’re saying?

  • Ron Larson

    I call BS. If this were true, then christians would be rioting in the streets and murdering anyone they could find every time an Islamic person threatened to burn a bible somewhere on earth. Or burn down an embassy with everyone in it just because someone made a low budget flix they didn’t like.

  • eyeball

    The Muslims I know and have had many conversations with all tell me the same thing: Islam, as it is followed in the modern world, is not a religion of hatred and bloodlust for those who do not follow Islam. They understand that you cannot go around stoning people for perceived “sins” against the word of their god. Society will not allow certain behavior that the Koran dictates, the same with the Bible – there are many things in there that simply cannot be condoned in a modern society. The human race has evolved, and in some ways, religion must evolve, too.

    Each religious faith has their share of religious fanatics (such as “Islamic terrorists” or the Westboro Baptists, for example) that are considered extreme, even by followers of the mainstream religions. Whereas the “Islamic terrorists” are guided and allowed free reign by their over-zealous beliefs, the Westboro Baptists are given the right to do as they please by the First Amendment.

    Yes – a lot of Muslims are concerned about speaking openly against the “Islamic terrorist”, out of fear that some sort of retaliation might be carried out against family members still living in that area of the world; also – many feel that commenting in public against terrorists would give the terrorists even more attention than they deserve. I have yet to meet a single Muslim who sympathizes at all with the terrorists’ jihad against the US or infidels. The Muslims I’ve gotten to know are happy they’ve come to this country (many are working towards getting their citizenship), they enjoy America for the opportunities available for them and their families AND while keeping their own culture alive, they are happy to take part in American society and culture, too.

    Maybe I’m just hanging around the wrong Muslims? Everybody else seems to think the worse of Muslims and Islam…and I still haven’t seen it myself.

  • Tim

    Not all Muslim murderers are/were Islamic terrorists–they were the government: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/genocidefaq.html

  • Kevin Dickson

    Great…..how progressive of you to compare Christians to the people who have killed over 20 thousand innocent people since 9/11. The difference you conveniently leave out is the fact that the vast majority of Christians aren’t afraid to publicly condemn everything about the Westboro cooks. That is something most Muslims have either been unwilling or afraid to do to the terrorist in their midst. Your intellectual laziness is appalling.

  • matt

    Christians are different, huh? You guys shoulda been around during the crusades…

    • Andy from Beaverton

      You guys shoulda been around during the crusades…

      That was over 900 years ago! Christians have changed a lot since then. Muslims haven’t changed much at all.

      Don’t you even know the reasons for the Crusades? When Muslims took over the Iberian Peninsula and Jerusalem, the surviving Christians had to convert, pay a high non-Islamic tax or die? The Muslims were also threatening to invade Europe with never ending attacks on the Byzantium Empire.

      • eyeball

        Alrighty, then…how about the Spanish Inquisition? The ol’ tried and true system of “convert to our god or die”. Many cultures ended up doing the exact same thing, in the name of their religion – or, their interpretation of that religion.
        The Islamic terrorists are NOT what the Islamic culture and religion is about. They are their own “sub-culture” within Islam. They actually believe that their god wants them to kill the non-believers in his name. They feel that the Koran is not something that can be interpreted or adapted because of the changing rules of modern society. You have Christians who feel the exact same way. Most Christians consider those people to be giving their faith a bad reputation, just as most Muslims consider these “Islamic terrorists” are giving Islam a bad name.

        • Andy from Beaverton

          Alrighty, then…how about the Spanish Inquisition?
          More people died on 9/11/2001 than were executed in 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition.

          • ray

            Dictionary.com
            terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

            Around 125,000 people were questioned in the Spanish Inquisition, which I’m sure was not a fun thing, considering torture was in the equation of questioning. While I’m sure more Americans felt “terrorized” from 9/11, don’t define terrorism strictly as killing.

            Seriously, demand a refund from your school.

            • Andy from Beaverton

              According to the definition of terrorism that you use, your threatening tone and constant questioning is terroristic in nature. Please stop or I will tell your mom and Janet Napolitano.

              • ray

                Why don’t you call up to mom from the basement and tell her that I’m kicking your ass with facts and you don’t like it.

  • Paulo

    Nailed it signing for the follow-up comments. LMAO!

  • goddess

    One of my best friends is muslim. She regularly speaks out against the terrorists who kill in the name of her god. She is far from alone. Part of the problem is that they are only a small percentage of our population. I’m guessing most people don’t have a muslim friend, so they don’t hear first hand rebuttals from that community. That doesn’t mean they are silent, just not heard. A big difference. Please don’t assume that they don’t care just because the press doesn’t put their reactions on the news.

    • H44C

      I guess any muslim rebuttal is drowned out by muslim excuse making & blame casting .As per the press.

  • H44C

    there are a couple dozen westboro members compared to million muslim terrorists, would be terrorists, terrorists to be and millions more sympathizers. kinda puts it in perspective huh?

 
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