Comments on: If you could reason with religious people… http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:12:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Steven http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95387 Steven Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:41:17 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-95387 "My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such violent reaction against it? A man feels wet when he falls into water, because man is not a water animal: a fish would not feel wet. Of course, I could have given up my idea of justice by saying that it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my private fancies. Thus in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist--in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless--I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality--namely my idea of justice--was full of sense. Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning." ~C. S. Lewis “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such violent reaction against it? A man feels wet when he falls into water, because man is not a water animal: a fish would not feel wet. Of course, I could have given up my idea of justice by saying that it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too–for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my private fancies. Thus in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist–in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless–I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality–namely my idea of justice–was full of sense.

Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.”

~C. S. Lewis

]]> By: abcd http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-91348 abcd Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:19:30 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-91348 The religion will exist in each society, it has been throughout the history of mankind and it will stand the times. Modification will be necessary in the religion according to the changes of cultural values. These modifications are taking place rapidly during the last century - have you, guys, ever thought about superheroes, have you found any similarities between Jesus and Superman? If not, then how about Jediism as an official religion in Australia with 70 000 followers (and I am sure it is growing every single day). It is just people's need in guidance and (whatever is that called) hope or miracle. p.s. btw every typical person has an ability to reason, sometimes illogically though p.s.s. there is a mathematical evidence (using theorems and natural laws) that if the nature exists then God could not exist, but as Hume would say, how can we be 100% sure that the sun will rise tomorrow? - lots of stuff is based solely on our experience. The religion will exist in each society, it has been throughout the history of mankind and it will stand the times. Modification will be necessary in the religion according to the changes of cultural values. These modifications are taking place rapidly during the last century – have you, guys, ever thought about superheroes, have you found any similarities between Jesus and Superman? If not, then how about Jediism as an official religion in Australia with 70 000 followers (and I am sure it is growing every single day). It is just people’s need in guidance and (whatever is that called) hope or miracle.

p.s. btw every typical person has an ability to reason, sometimes illogically though
p.s.s. there is a mathematical evidence (using theorems and natural laws) that if the nature exists then God could not exist, but as Hume would say, how can we be 100% sure that the sun will rise tomorrow? – lots of stuff is based solely on our experience.

]]> By: revrick315 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-84446 revrick315 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:06:26 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-84446 Intolerance-> Idiots Intolerance-> Idiots

]]> By: TomJ http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-84414 TomJ Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:12:20 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-84414 Religious = weak minds Religious = weak minds

]]> By: WooHoo http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-83889 WooHoo Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:50:11 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-83889 Good interpretation revrick315 Good interpretation revrick315

]]> By: revrick315 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-83872 revrick315 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:53:07 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-83872 Agreed, WooHoo. To explain some regarding the different religions, though...crap...no, I'm not going into another lengthy diatribe and mess up the Farrah/Religion ratio even more. But, sometimes it's all about control and that's what causes many of the "religious" issues today. Same as it causes "political" issues. When you get right down to it, there isn't a huge gulf between politics and religion; they're each beliefs perverted by Man saying their interpretation is the only true way. Agreed, WooHoo. To explain some regarding the different religions, though…crap…no, I’m not going into another lengthy diatribe and mess up the Farrah/Religion ratio even more. But, sometimes it’s all about control and that’s what causes many of the “religious” issues today. Same as it causes “political” issues. When you get right down to it, there isn’t a huge gulf between politics and religion; they’re each beliefs perverted by Man saying their interpretation is the only true way.

]]> By: WooHoo http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-83817 WooHoo Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:34:15 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-83817 I have regular "discussions" with my republican friend about politics and religion. He says there is no scientific proof that man is causing global warming. I always counter there is no scientific proof there is a God. I don't know if there is a God or not, but I'm sure He or She would not be so egotistical to demand that we spend all our time in church or donating money to get into heaven. instead, I believe just being a good person to all of His/Her creations (other humans, animals and environment) is all that is needed. Has anyone ever asked themselves why there are so many Christian religions? If Jesus was the Son of God and his life (and death) was all that is mentioned in the Bible, why would there be a necessity to have different Christian religions? And what about all the other religions? Each group believes theirs is the one and only religion. A lot of people are going to be disappointed. Me? I believe all religions are good, some churches are bad (it's the churches or the people/leaders that interpret religions and that is where problems arise). I have regular “discussions” with my republican friend about politics and religion. He says there is no scientific proof that man is causing global warming. I always counter there is no scientific proof there is a God.

I don’t know if there is a God or not, but I’m sure He or She would not be so egotistical to demand that we spend all our time in church or donating money to get into heaven. instead, I believe just being a good person to all of His/Her creations (other humans, animals and environment) is all that is needed.

Has anyone ever asked themselves why there are so many Christian religions? If Jesus was the Son of God and his life (and death) was all that is mentioned in the Bible, why would there be a necessity to have different Christian religions?

And what about all the other religions? Each group believes theirs is the one and only religion. A lot of people are going to be disappointed.

Me? I believe all religions are good, some churches are bad (it’s the churches or the people/leaders that interpret religions and that is where problems arise).

]]> By: Maffu http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-83751 Maffu Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:00:06 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-83751 @Mike Firesmith mmmmm... Mira Sorvino. @Mike Firesmith
mmmmm… Mira Sorvino.

]]> By: Maffu http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-83746 Maffu Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:46:47 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-83746 If there is a God, he obviously intended that there should be atheists - he's omnipotent and omniscient, right? I'm sure that, if he does exist, when I die he'll give me a good stern talking to for not believing in him before either consigning me to Department H, or forgiving me. If God doesn't exist then Christians will not have to feel embarrassed or cheated because we will all die into utter nothingness and nobody will be any the wiser. In the meantime, let's all just let everyone believe in whatever they wish to believe in and, for once, let the subject pass without a load of dreary hair-pulling. If there is a God, he obviously intended that there should be atheists – he’s omnipotent and omniscient, right? I’m sure that, if he does exist, when I die he’ll give me a good stern talking to for not believing in him before either consigning me to Department H, or forgiving me.
If God doesn’t exist then Christians will not have to feel embarrassed or cheated because we will all die into utter nothingness and nobody will be any the wiser.
In the meantime, let’s all just let everyone believe in whatever they wish to believe in and, for once, let the subject pass without a load of dreary hair-pulling.

]]> By: KLAW http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/comment-page-1/#comment-83716 KLAW Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:43:38 +0000 http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/06/25/if-you-could-reason-with-religious-people/#comment-83716 meo123, not really, eh? meo123, not really, eh?

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