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Sigh… because we’re all maniacs.
Atheism
The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replication bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.
Gosh Larry. You really have done your research.. You really set a high standard in your arguments against atheism. I’m going down to my local church right now to get me a big ‘ol cup of Jesus. How could I have mistaken actual scientific evidence for truth when it’s been right there in front of me all along in a fictitious book written by desert people thousands of years ago and manipulated by greedy power hungry kings… Thanks!
If you could argue with Larry there would be no Larry..
Wow Lukas… sounds like some bitterness in you! Sounds more like the non-religious can’t be reasoned with!!! I definitely feel very sorry for you. Besides, just because House said it makes it right? That’s right up there with ANYTHING famous people or their ‘characters’ they play have anything of more value to say than the rest of us. Sheesh
It would make sense no matter who said it, and ha-ha, in a sense of irony lost on some here, House doesn’t exist. He’s just a made up character with some quotes attributed to Him.
Lukas,
That was a fairly impressive display of sarcasm.
You folks do realize that freedom of religion is a basic human right anymore, right. The good ole USA was founded on such, now the Hollyweird crowd will hammer anyone that espouses their beliefs. I’m not exactly a religious person but to demonize anyone that is, just scares the crap out of me!! Okay, now I’ll go somewhere and lighten up!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Hollywood type. And if you look into history just a little you’ll see that most of the founding fathers were Deists. I’m really not bitter I’m just tired of people using the same old nothing from nothing arguments against everything that’s not Theist or Christian. Atheism, Evolution, The Big Bang, and other such topics get stuffed in the same bag and are immediately dismissed. Everyone has a right to believe what they want and say what they want and I believe with the exception of a little good-natured sarcasm I respect that, or at least tolerate that. But enough debate. Back to the laughs.
Well, the truth of the matter is, I try to stay out of these little brouhahas (or in plural, is it brouhahees?), but it is actually funny the amount of anger, ridicule, and energy folks expend on religious denial. I was an atheist for 52 years but was always and still am acceptive of others beliefs.
But let’s say I decided to take the attitude of some. It seems like if I said I didn’t believe in….well, let’s use Global Warming…something with a lot of folks on each side, each vehemntly castigating the other. I might shout, “Oh, you’re an idiot for believing in GW” and how can you justify your life in support of something so crazy, with no scientific evidence, with the temps down, and House says GW is bullshit, even though Angelina says it’s true. You’re all despicable sheep, oh, look at the GW hypocrite, firing up his grill for a big ass bbq. Remember, there aren’t any GW believers at the North Pole!
Now, actually, that type of unreasonable, thoughtless argumentation is what I’m seeing on all sides of religion. Personally, I don’t give a crap what you believe, but I think it’s somewhat rude for someone to present their thoughts and beliefs in such an immature, asinine manner. Most of us are above that on the Darwin scale, but I consistently see some of the more erudite members here loosing profanity (hell, that sh!t doesn’t bother me), threats (bring them on!), derision (oh, yeah!! and so’s your mom!), and sarcasm (duhhh!). I’m a big boy and very, very much in favor of free thought and freedom of expression. But, it’s live and let live. Your opinion is valued, but shouldn’t we try to add to the body of knowledge in a reasonable manner. Debate is a duel of minds, not smatterings of sarcasm. Bring out a new argument and I’ll be impressed. Using the same, trite arguments is too boring.
Damn…I started this all calm and reasonable and now I’m starting to slobber on my screen….
The average 6th grader has an understanding of the world profoundly superior to that of the individuals that wrote the books collected in the bible. If you let 100 Christians talk to those writers for an hour, then asked the Christians if they would base their lives on something the writers wrote, they would laugh in your face.
Mike Firesmith: “House doesn’t exist.”
Take away my god, but leave me my House.
I will remain silent on this one.
tincase,
You heard it here first; House will be rescued by Dr Cate Milton.
Let’s see…Would people base their lives on the writings today? It’s all in interpretation (BTW, I’m definitely NOT a fundamentalist thinker). Love your neighbor (while not committing adultry), honor Mom and Pop…yep, got that, be respectful, honorable, caring, check, check, check. However, I read the book as parables. I see what’s said, consider the time, and interpret what I read. Nope…I don’t fit the mindset of many of my friends that consider me a heretic. With that said, does that mean an Atheist/Muslim/Buddhist/Wiccan can’t be good, honorable, caring, etc. Nope, doesn’t mean that at all. Also definitely doesn’t mean that religious folks can’t and don’t do despicable acts. Do I believe in life after death? I don’t know. Yes, probably, but my life after death can be the memories folks have of me, the times I’ve made them laugh, cry, or care. It can be the legacy of good fatherhood I’ve provided for my children and the model I present to others. Yep, I can be a #%@$, but I can be the best friend someone can have as well. Can I still have doubts. Yep. I believe anyone that doesn’t question something is setting themselves up for a big letdown. But I can think of a lot more things worthy of ridicule than someone’s beliefs. Well…unless it’s believing that Vista can cause pink squares in comments…
And if you’ve seen my comments in the past, I’m as quick to make the gratuitous sacreligious joke as the next.
Plus, you probably won’t get 100 Baptists together without a free dinner…hmmmm…does anyone else hear thunder?….
BTW, Mike, ref House being a character, do you remember when VP Quayle was castigated by the media because he made comments about Murphy Brown’s (Candice Bergen TV character) lifestyle?
I’m not really religious but when I need o pray, I pray to all: God, Buddha, Allah and my ancestors. Greedy, eh?
Lukas, thank you for understanding.
meo123, not really, eh?
If there is a God, he obviously intended that there should be atheists – he’s omnipotent and omniscient, right? I’m sure that, if he does exist, when I die he’ll give me a good stern talking to for not believing in him before either consigning me to Department H, or forgiving me.
If God doesn’t exist then Christians will not have to feel embarrassed or cheated because we will all die into utter nothingness and nobody will be any the wiser.
In the meantime, let’s all just let everyone believe in whatever they wish to believe in and, for once, let the subject pass without a load of dreary hair-pulling.
@Mike Firesmith
mmmmm… Mira Sorvino.
I have regular “discussions” with my republican friend about politics and religion. He says there is no scientific proof that man is causing global warming. I always counter there is no scientific proof there is a God.
I don’t know if there is a God or not, but I’m sure He or She would not be so egotistical to demand that we spend all our time in church or donating money to get into heaven. instead, I believe just being a good person to all of His/Her creations (other humans, animals and environment) is all that is needed.
Has anyone ever asked themselves why there are so many Christian religions? If Jesus was the Son of God and his life (and death) was all that is mentioned in the Bible, why would there be a necessity to have different Christian religions?
And what about all the other religions? Each group believes theirs is the one and only religion. A lot of people are going to be disappointed.
Me? I believe all religions are good, some churches are bad (it’s the churches or the people/leaders that interpret religions and that is where problems arise).
Agreed, WooHoo. To explain some regarding the different religions, though…crap…no, I’m not going into another lengthy diatribe and mess up the Farrah/Religion ratio even more. But, sometimes it’s all about control and that’s what causes many of the “religious” issues today. Same as it causes “political” issues. When you get right down to it, there isn’t a huge gulf between politics and religion; they’re each beliefs perverted by Man saying their interpretation is the only true way.
Good interpretation revrick315
Religious = weak minds
Intolerance-> Idiots
The religion will exist in each society, it has been throughout the history of mankind and it will stand the times. Modification will be necessary in the religion according to the changes of cultural values. These modifications are taking place rapidly during the last century – have you, guys, ever thought about superheroes, have you found any similarities between Jesus and Superman? If not, then how about Jediism as an official religion in Australia with 70 000 followers (and I am sure it is growing every single day). It is just people’s need in guidance and (whatever is that called) hope or miracle.
p.s. btw every typical person has an ability to reason, sometimes illogically though
p.s.s. there is a mathematical evidence (using theorems and natural laws) that if the nature exists then God could not exist, but as Hume would say, how can we be 100% sure that the sun will rise tomorrow? – lots of stuff is based solely on our experience.
“My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such violent reaction against it? A man feels wet when he falls into water, because man is not a water animal: a fish would not feel wet. Of course, I could have given up my idea of justice by saying that it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too–for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my private fancies. Thus in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist–in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless–I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality–namely my idea of justice–was full of sense.
Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.”
~C. S. Lewis